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Re: Suez: Long term implications ??

#61 Post by Dushan » Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:51 pm

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I'm surprised they were all going that fast. I'm 30 years out of date, but when I was on a Noggie survey boat making that transition the convoy speed was limited to 9kts.
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#62 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:12 pm

Dushan wrote:
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Undried Plum wrote:
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I'm surprised they were all going that fast. I'm 30 years out of date, but when I was on a Noggie survey boat making that transition the convoy speed was limited to 9kts.
Gotta get those sex-toys and other chachkies to locked up people in Europe ASAP.
Come on, the Karl Lagerfeld Bondage Dungeons in Bremerhaven are running low on cheap whips and latex! Have a heart! :p
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#63 Post by llondel » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:21 pm

Apparently coffee might end up on the shortage list. Imagine the implications of that.

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#64 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:29 pm

Reminds me, need a new parasol

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#65 Post by Boac » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:42 pm

As long as we have cocoa for the SpaceX Starship...........

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#66 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:50 pm

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As long as we have cocoa for the SpaceX Starship...........
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#67 Post by ian16th » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:30 pm

Has the Ever Given been moved? or what?

I see that the Daily Fail claims that it has been moved 30m. This is not corroborated by any source that I can find.

The BBC site reports that the vessel has been moved 30°in both directions! Does this mean it has been swung 60°? This seems a lot to me.

I'd have thought that either of these events would have been given much more widespread publicity.
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#68 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:34 pm

Ian, pivoted around a centre by 30 deg, ie not 60

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#69 Post by Alisoncc » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:38 pm

Real bugger when one half pivots by 30 deg, but not the other. Unless they have a hinge in the middle for turning sharp corners, like those bendy buses.
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#70 Post by John Hill » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:02 pm

Good thing if they can rotate the middle bit as presumably that would draw the ends in and make it shorter.
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#71 Post by G-CPTN » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:05 pm

Researching this problem, it seems likely that the resistance to the tugs could be 33000 tonnes - with the most powerful tug having a pull of 420 tonnes.

Unloading the containers would require a crane with exceptional reach and numerous barges to receive the containers.

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#72 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:26 pm

G CPTN, a container crane normally operates from a firm base. Placing one in the canal and lifting a container on the opposite side will risk toppling, remember the Russian crane that fell onto a submarine. It might need a jack up rig for stability.

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#73 Post by ian16th » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:35 pm

How about they built dams ahead and behind the ship, and effectively put the ship into a lock. Then pump water into the 'lock' to float it. Turn the ship as required. Then remove the two dams?

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#74 Post by Boac » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:45 pm

That's two dam easy.

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#75 Post by G-CPTN » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:50 pm

AIUI, the sides of the canal are level with the surrounding desert, so a dam would have to surround the ship in addition to 'front and rear'.
The surrounding terrain is sand and this would be porous.

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#76 Post by tango15 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:26 pm

llondel wrote:
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Apparently coffee might end up on the shortage list. Imagine the implications of that.
Why would coffee shipments be affected?

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#77 Post by Woody » Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:37 pm

It’s not all bad news, apparently there’s a load of IKEA flat packs stuck in the queue to get through the canal :) :)
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#78 Post by Dushan » Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:29 pm

G-CPTN wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:05 pm
Researching this problem, it seems likely that the resistance to the tugs could be 33000 tonnes - with the most powerful tug having a pull of 420 tonnes.

Unloading the containers would require a crane with exceptional reach and numerous barges to receive the containers.
As the famous line from "Jaws" says "You need a bigger tug".
Because they stand on the wall and say "nothing's gonna hurt you tonight, not on my watch".

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#79 Post by 4mastacker » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:26 pm

Must be a few a few Chinooks about that could lift a lot of those containers off the ship as underslung loads (providing, of course, the weight of a container is within the Chinook's limits)
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#80 Post by G-CPTN » Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:55 am

Chinook maximum lift 10.8 tonnes.
Mi26 can lift 20 tonnes.

A 20ft container can carry 25 tonnes and a 40ft container 29 tonnes.

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