"Labour".

[AtomKraft]

I've never been a supporter of the Labour Party, not even when it was fashionable.
I wish them only bad things, and in my view Socialism is like a mental illness.

I don't vote in the UK, but I take a certain vicarious pleasure in watching those who Labour claim to represent, ie workers, rejecting them more robustly at each new election. To see Hartlepool turn to the Tories for the first time in history makes me quite happy.

I'm just curious though about one thing. It's clear that the wankerish woke policies so popular in the media are really unpopular amongst ordinary people, but why can "Labour" not see it?

They represent EVERYONE apart from LABOUR! Gays, trans, minorities, immigrants, disabled....every bugger APART from normal English working people. In fact it seems to me that the common working man is despised as a worthless thicko.

Well, keep digging boys- it's your own grave and you'll not be widely missed.

Get woke, go broke.

[Pontius Navigator]

AK, big essay in yesterday's Torygraph. Essentially true Labour is university educated elite and hard left. True working class are traditionally Labour but are actually solid conservatives supporting immigration control, law and order, etc.
The article said how Boris is very much to the left of the Tory party with Starmer very much on the back foot as it is proving difficult to oppose a party that is essentially implementing many Labour programmes.
We shall see what happens.

[AtomKraft]

That's true Pontious. Labour seems to have forgotten that working people are innately sensible, and therefore conservative.

It's the loony left (or the loony right) that are the radicals.

For my own part, I just wonder how a party formed to represent and defend workers, could lose its way in such a spectacular fashion!

Frankly I think they must be so lost now- so irretrievably lost, that there has to be a reasonable chance that they will never gain power again.

What a shower of utter wankers they have become.

[1DC]

Labour are incapable of agreeing on the simple things so cannot put forward any policies, the only thing left is for them to just disagree with the governments policies try and highlight their idea of sleaze or other errors and assume that they will become popular, they won't.

[tango15]

A company I worked for had it's head office in Millbank Tower, which at the time was the headquarters of the Labour Party. We would see them often in the lifts and overhear their conversations. There was also a 'tearoom', open to all, on one of the lower floors, where we would often find ourselves in their company. I have little time for politicians of any hue, principally because I have met too many in my time. In general, though there were exceptions, I find them totally self-serving and once they join the Westminster bubble, they become detached from reality.

What grieves me most, is that the average employee in any organisation has to go through a fair number of hoops in order to be offered a position nowadays. Even a fork lift truck driver has to have a licence, once he's been interviewed and selected. Moreover, many of us on this forum will have been subjected to 'positive vetting', which is fair enough, given the sort of responsibilities one is faced with in their day-to-day work. These characters have eschewed such investigations into their past, so that no matter what their criminal record may be, and there are more than a few members with such stains on their characters, this does not debar them from taking their positions as MPs.

I worked closely with an Ambassador in one of the EU countries for several years. He once told me that he would rather have half a dozen royal visits in one year, than one parliamentary junket, for junkets they were. More than once he found himself having to apologise to Ministers for the behaviour of parliamentarians, who, as is so typical of the British, behave like ill-disciplined schoolchildren when abroad. I asked him if one party was worse than another, and he said, without a moment's hesitation, that Labour MPs were by far the worst.

[4mastacker]

Some talking head on the BBC seemed to actually recognise what part of Labour's problem is - she highlighted that much of Labour's policies is generated by those who live within the boundaries of the M25 (the Islington-set) who think life in London is representative of the rest of the UK and haven't got a clue of how folks actually live their lives in such places as the North-East.

[tango15]

Some talking head on the BBC seemed to actually recognise what part of Labour's problem is - she highlighted that much of Labour's policies is generated by those who live within the boundaries of the M25 (the Islington-set) who think life in London is representative of the rest of the UK and haven't got a clue of how folks actually live their lives in such places as the North-East.

[om15]

When Starmer and Raynor very publicly took the knee they knew they were sending a message to the country.

That is why Labour is finished, for all his faults Boris does seem to enjoy being British and does try to champion British values, Labour have just become a minority anti British, anti Brexit protest party, Starmer has as much drive as a used french letter, he doesn't know how to start changing things. Be interesting to see who replaces him.

[G-CPTN]

Bring back Arthur Scargill.

[G-CPTN]

A NEW leader for the local Labour Group will need to be elected following a major blow in the 2021 county council elections.
The group's leader lost their seat in the most dramatic of fashion, with the outcome of the vote decided by a rare ballot box draw.
The terms of the draw mean that, if two or more candidates receive the exact same number of votes, their names are put in the ballot box and the name pulled out of the box is declared the winner.
The names of the Labour leader and the Tory candidate were put into the box after receiving 868 votes each, but it was the Tory name that was pulled out and they will now serve the ward for the next four years.

[AtomKraft]

Hey om15, it seems the country are sending a message to Labour, loud and clear.

Fcuk off!

[G-CPTN]

The solution?

[John Hill]

We have a Labour government in NZ (the world's most socialist country) and they are on their second term.

Of course nothing is perfect but I do enjoy wry amusement when I consider the character of those I know who spend their time slagging Our Jacinda.

[G-CPTN]

So, does your Labour represent the blue collar working class?

[John Hill]

So, does your Labour represent the working class?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... yment-laws


The product of labour?

[AtomKraft]

The product of a good pumping!

[llondel]

AK, big essay in yesterday's Torygraph. Essentially true Labour is university educated elite and hard left. True working class are traditionally Labour but are actually solid conservatives supporting immigration control, law and order, etc.
The article said how Boris is very much to the left of the Tory party with Starmer very much on the back foot as it is proving difficult to oppose a party that is essentially implementing many Labour programmes.
We shall see what happens.

That's pretty much what Blair did in reverse, moved to the right against an unpopular party and effectively took over their space. In some ways he was Maggie's final victory.

[John Hill]

The product of a good pumping!

You are such a sensitive soul.

[AtomKraft]

Thanks John.

[Boac]

One wonders if Mrs AK realises what she is there for!