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Meanwhile far away and out of sight in the DPRK..

#1 Post by John Hill » Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:09 am

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/1 ... orth-korea
Hazel Smith, an expert in North Korea from SOAS University of London, who spent the best part of 1998 to 2001 inside the country developing agricultural data analysis for UNICEF and the World Food Programme, painted a stark picture of what she knows is happening.

“Children under seven, pregnant and nursing women, the frail, the elderly … these are the people that are starving, right now,” said Smith, whose previous research took her all over the country.

North Korea required 5.2 million tonnes of food for 2020, yet produced only four million tonnes, leaving a shortfall of more than one million tonnes shortfall, the Korea Development Institute in Seoul said in a report last month.

Even with imports, North Korea will suffer a food gap of 780,000 tonnes for 2020-2021, the United Nations Food and Agricultural Organization estimated in a country report in June, outlining the effect of a drought in early 2020, followed by a succession of typhoons and heavy rains in August and September that severely hampered food production.
Of course we can blame Kim Jong Un for this....!
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#2 Post by Dushan » Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:50 am

I know where the one million tons of food went. One look at the Fat Kim and it’s obvious.
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#3 Post by G-CPTN » Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:32 am

How exactly does the food shortage manifest itself?

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#4 Post by John Hill » Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:19 am

A shortage of basically two to three months supply of basic foods such as rice. Exacerbated by a crippled distribution system and the fact that the country has an economy that has been shrinking during the last 30 years.


From Al Jazeera:-
Although analysts agreed that the COVID-19 pandemic, which prompted the government to close its China border, has played a significant role in the now chronic food shortfalls, some have argued the source of the problem actually lies in 2017.

The United Nations Security Council imposed sanctions 2375 and 2397 in September and December of 2017, to limit North Korea’s imports of crude oil and refined petroleum products.

Deprived of fuel, farmers have been hindered in planting and harvesting crops and getting their produce to market.

“Agriculture everywhere in the world relies on oil … It’s not rocket science,” SOAS’s Smith told Al Jazeera, outlining what she sees as the primary cause of the potential humanitarian disaster unfolding in North Korea.

“The salient proximate factor [for the food shortage] is the 2017 UN sanctions which prohibited natural gas – and severely restricted oil – going into North Korea,” she said.
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#5 Post by G-CPTN » Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:24 am

If there is a shortage of rice, what alternative does the population have available?

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#6 Post by John Hill » Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:28 am

G-CPTN wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:24 am
If there is a shortage of rice, what alternative does the population have available?
In the '90's they were reduced to eating grass.
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#7 Post by Dushan » Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:38 pm

John Hill wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:28 am
G-CPTN wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:24 am
If there is a shortage of rice, what alternative does the population have available?
In the '90's they were reduced to eating grass.
Not all, apparently. Some were know to have Ementaler flown in from Saitzerland.
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#8 Post by AtomKraft » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:42 am

These shithole dictatorships often end up like this.
Overweight, fat leaders, and the noble peasantry starving to death.

Socialism, or is it communism?

The end's the same.

To be fair, there might be no money for rice, but there's always money for new missiles.

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#9 Post by John Hill » Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:33 pm

Britain is a compliant ally in America's enduring programme to starve the DPRK to total ruin. I hope you are proud of your contribution.
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#10 Post by AtomKraft » Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:41 pm

Don't talk ***** John. I play no part in the UKs Foreign affairs.

I've no contribution to be ashamed of, but I'm bloody glad I don't live in North Korea.

I'd be happy to send a few of our galloping lefties to reside permanently in that Socialist utopia though- but they never seem to want to go....

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#11 Post by John Hill » Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:35 am

AtomKraft wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:41 pm
Don't talk *sh*t* John. I play no part in the UKs Foreign affairs.
If you are a citizen of a democratic country you bear responsibility for what your government does in your name

I've no contribution to be ashamed of, but I'm bloody glad I don't live in North Korea.
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#13 Post by John Hill » Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:58 am

So this is all about North Korea's 'sanctions busters'?

So just remind me please what these sanctions are all about and why they are applied to North Korea?
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#14 Post by AtomKraft » Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:02 am

OK Smartarse.

If you think it's so great, why not go and live there?

They've got all the left wing politics you'll ever need.

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#15 Post by John Hill » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:04 pm

The USA has maintained many and varied sanctions against North Korea dating back to 1950. Although various reasons may be forwarded in support of these sanctions it is clear that the principal objective is the total destruction of the DPRK.

Today we hear of hundreds of thousands, perhaps more, people facing starvation in North Korea as a direct result of sanctions imposed by the US and with the support of many countries including the UK.

Just how long are we going to allow this state of affairs to continue?
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#16 Post by Smeagol » Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:14 pm

John Hill wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:04 pm

Today we hear of hundreds of thousands, perhaps more, people facing starvation in North Korea as a direct result of sanctions imposed by the US and with the support of many countries including the UK.
Shirley, the people are starving not as a direct result of sanctions but due to the policies of their government and that same government feeding the 4th largest army in the world to use it to keep the peasants oppressed and using fuel for military vehicles rather than tractors and food distribution.
Oh! and the Fat One eating enough for several peasants himself.
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#17 Post by G-CPTN » Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:00 pm

+1 . . .

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#18 Post by OFSO » Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:12 pm

I wasn't going to say it, but YES! Sanctions are only a small part of it, and were not applied for no reason. If the Divine Leader wasn't a complete and utter arsehole N Korea would not be in the mess it is. If there were no sanctions, would things be better? I doubt it.

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#19 Post by Dushan » Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:48 pm

AtomKraft wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:02 am
OK Smartarse.

If you think it's so great, why not go and live there?

They've got all the left wing politics you'll ever need.
He lives in NZ, the next best thing to DPRK with its draconian laws and lockdowns...
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#20 Post by tango15 » Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:01 pm

I was watching Michael Palin's series on N Korea a few nights ago and it reminded me so much of my visits to Russia in the 70s. My job took me to places which were normally closed to foreigners and there was always a minder or two on hand. In one case were were locked inside our accommodation, so that we could not go out wandering at night when the temperature was -20C. At one of the places, I heard aircraft engines being run late at night and asked about it the following day. I was told that I had dreaming. It was many years later that I discovered that I was correct. The aircraft were built in Moscow and taken to Pravdinsk airfield for testing.

Propaganda posters were everywhere, glorifying the Soviet system. In Moscow and St Petersburg I could roam free and go to whichever restaurant I pleased, but the hotel was always pre-allocated, once my visa had been approved at immigration.

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