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Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)

#681 Post by Boac » Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:11 pm

The analysis of the last Kabul drone strike is sad reading. Whoever 'pulled the trigger', either on his/her own or on instruction, must be feeling pretty bad.

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#682 Post by John Hill » Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:14 pm

Maybe, but I am sure they have been trained to handle such anguish and they might even get decorated for their 'service'. See USS Vincennes and Iran Air flight 655.
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#683 Post by Boac » Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:58 pm

I think I would need more than an 'apology'.

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#684 Post by John Hill » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:43 pm

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I think I would need more than an 'apology'.
There will be no apologies for the last 20 years in Afghanistan. But I am confident they will still get their medals.
Despite the mistakes made in the downing of the plane, the crew of USS Vincennes were awarded Combat Action Ribbons for completion of their tours in a combat zone. The air warfare coordinator on duty received the Navy Commendation Medal,[13] but The Washington Post reported in 1990 that the awards were for his entire tour from 1984 to 1988 and for his actions relating to the surface engagement with Iranian gunboats.[84] In 1990, Rogers was awarded the Legion of Merit "for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer [...] from April 1987 to May 1989". The award was given for his service as the commanding officer of Vincennes from April 1987 to May 1989. The citation made no mention of the downing of Iran Air 655.
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#685 Post by prospector » Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:25 am

Wonder whether this General will get any more medals for this approving this ****??

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/535188-killing ... aign=Email

"What he did not do, however, is resign or promise anyone else involved in this atrocity would do the same – or even be reprimanded, counseled, or otherwise disciplined. One might think someone ought to, considering that they killed children."

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#686 Post by boing » Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:55 am

Dresden, trench warfare and "going over the top" in WW1, the Amritsar Massacre, our own little adventure in Afghanistan. Stupidity, accident and excess have been a mark of all military actions including those of the UK. How many Generals were disgraced?

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#687 Post by John Hill » Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:54 am

prospector wrote:
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"What he did not do, however, is resign or promise anyone else involved in this atrocity would do the same – or even be reprimanded, counseled, or otherwise disciplined. One might think someone ought to, considering that they killed children."
But they were not American children.
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#688 Post by OFSO » Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:03 am

From my own experience I agree with that last line. Americans tend not to see 'foreigners", and especially middle Eastern foreigners, as "real people". This underestimating of foreigners worth is why Afghanistan and Vietnam happened.

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#689 Post by OFSO » Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:24 am

Replace "worth" by "abilities" in above post.

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#690 Post by Boac » Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:48 am

In terms of medals, John, the actual strike was technically carried out with perfection. It is just that whoever decided on the target needs strapping across a canon muzzle - in the NK style you are familiar with.

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#691 Post by Undried Plum » Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:14 am

In a ghastly way, there's almost something appropriate about the Septics murdering children as a last gasp of Imperialist Fascism in Afghanistan.

Characteristically, they lied about the victim(s) being a terrorist on his way to a car bombing. As if to prove the innocence of the murderers, they claimed that secondary explosions proved that it had been a car bomb.

What is needed is an International War Crimes Tribunal to try the hundreds of Americans (and any Brits) who have participated in such crimes during the assault an occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Instead, the man who published video evidence of a massacre of civilians in a Baghdad is languishing in Belmarsh maximum security prison, the only political prisoner in England.

The former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, who sent a secret cable to the Foreign Secretary (Jack Straw) pointing out that British complicity in the American torture programme is a crime under international law and was fired for doing so, is languishing in Edinburgh's Saughton Prison in solitary confinement for twenty two and a half hours a day. Scotland's only political prisoner.

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#692 Post by John Hill » Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:52 pm

We do have an International Court of Justice but the Septics have excused themselves from that.
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#693 Post by Undried Plum » Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:20 pm

John Hill wrote:
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We do have an International Court of Justice but the Septics have excused themselves from that.
And so it goes on. And on.

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#694 Post by John Hill » Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:28 pm

This thing with the 'Royal Cradle Robber', they should offer to exchange him for the 'Diplomatic Hit and Run' woman.
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#695 Post by Undried Plum » Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:47 pm

As if ihe Afghans care about an irrelevant German tribe.

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#696 Post by John Hill » Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:49 pm

?????? I guess it is too early for me.
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Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)

#697 Post by Undried Plum » Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:43 pm

That's how the Hanoverians conquered the stripey mob on your island, dear boy.

Sadly, we did not show or teach more than one vowel in human communication.

Hence, you have been cut off from civilisation and don't want nukes and stuff.

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#698 Post by John Hill » Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:37 pm

The striped ones do not feel conquered.

We were in on the ground floor of that nuke making business and if we wanted them we should be able to make them ourselves.
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Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)

#699 Post by llondel » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:27 am

John Hill wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:37 pm
The striped ones do not feel conquered.

We were in on the ground floor of that nuke making business and if we wanted them we should be able to make them ourselves.
Given enough processed uranium (preferably not all in one place), it's fairly trivial to make a small device. The hard part is getting the fissile material in the first place, which is why there's all the uproar about Iran and NK building plants to produce it.

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#700 Post by John Hill » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:14 am

llondel wrote:
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The hard part is getting the fissile material in the first place, which is why there's all the uproar about Iran and NK building plants to produce it.
Why shouldn't countries such at Iran and North Korea have nuclear weapons for their defense?
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