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Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:39 pm
by prospector
How far does anyone think this will go
https://www.rt.com/news/535310-afghanis ... aign=Email
‘We want justice under US law,’ father of 2yo daughter killed in Kabul drone strike tells RT"
“No one can compensate us. If you give us all the money in the world, it will not be enough. It’s not possible. They can’t compensate for the murder of a child, and there is no remedy for this loss,” Akhmadi told RT’s Murad Gazdiev.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:42 pm
by John Hill
There are no legs on that claim.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:35 am
by Rwy in Sight
boing wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:03 pm
RiS
This is an old report but I don't think things have changed much.
Pakistan would be an obvious place for a jihadist organization to seek a nuclear weapon or fissile material: It is the only Muslim-majority state, out of the 50 or so in the world, to have successfully developed nuclear weapons. Its central government has serious trouble controlling the many corners of its territory. Its security services are infiltrated by an unknown number of jihadist sympathizers; a number of jihadist organizations are headquartered there and have relations with the government. And the weapons are stored on bases and in facilities spread across the country -- possibly including one within several miles of Abbottabad, a city that, in addition to having hosted bin Laden, is home to many partisans of the jihadist group Harakat-ul-Mujahideen.
As a result of recent events there is talk of Pakistan embracing a more militant version of Islam. We should remember that it is a Pakistani, whose name I can't be bothered to find, who has worked with both Iran and North Korea on their weapons development.If an incident occurred which was found to be based on Pakistani material what should be done? Bomb Pakistan on suspicion? Risk putting a cloud of radioactive dust across India and other Asian countries to teach Pakistan a lesson?
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I think most of us will agree that a use of nuclear weapons is very very low on recommended actions to punish a nation - a list I am sure has been drawn and includes many may items. So I agree it is not wise to grow a nuclear mushroom in a blind attack but you would know who needs to be punished. I have ignored in purpose the pressure to do something right after the initial nuclear attack since this is obviously a different issue.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:43 am
by OFSO
I believe that there are countries which do not subscribe to the limitations on using nuclear weapons, countries a hairs-breath away from being run or heavily influenced by terrorists, countries possessed by an unlimited hatred of their neighbours and which could not care less about consequencies. It's a nightmare.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:59 am
by Undried Plum
OFSO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:43 am
I believe that there are countries which do not subscribe to the limitations on using nuclear weapons, countries a hairs-breath away from being run or heavily influenced by terrorists, countries possessed by an unlimited hatred of their neighbours and which could not care less about consequences. It's a nightmare.
The Septics couldn't wait to demonstrate what nukes do to civilians. They actually postponed the "unconditional" surrender so that they could obliterate two cities. The Japs were holding out for retention of The Emperor and for retention of the Imperial naval ensign. That bought the Septics just enough time to hold off the surrender while they rushed the two nukes to the launch airfield in the Pacific.
The purpose of those two bomb detonations wasn't to terrify the Japs. That had already been achieved. All but three cities in Japan had already been reduced to ashes. They were kept unbombed so they could be used as human laboratories to observe the effects of thermal and nuclear radiation on live human flesh.
It was to terrify the Russkies, not the Japs.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:06 am
by Rwy in Sight
However by terrifying the Russkies, they were pushed to develop their own bomb the Russians not the Septics.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:10 am
by Pontius Navigator
prospector wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:39 pm
How far does anyone think this will go
https://www.rt.com/news/535310-afghanis ... aign=Email
‘We want justice under US law,’ father of 2yo daughter killed in Kabul drone strike tells RT"
“No one can compensate us. If you give us all the money in the world, it will not be enough. It’s not possible. They can’t compensate for the murder of a child, and there is no remedy for this loss,” Akhmadi told RT’s Murad Gazdiev.
I read that visas to live in the US might go some way......
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:26 am
by John Hill
Good idea! Let's press for US citizenship for all the families of everyone they killed in Afghanistan.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:30 am
by AtomKraft
Lets say there's a big bang in NYC.
Let's say the bombs signature is Pakistan's. What to do? Nuke the Pakis? All of them? What about India, next door? It really is a tricky issue even if it concerns a weak and despised country like Pakistan.
What if the signature points to Russia- or China. Now that's a whole different issue, cos these guys are likely to shoot back!
The US, with its simple 'good guys/ bad guys' way of looking at things, has made a right mess, and surely- there will eventually be consequences.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:56 pm
by John Hill
The Pakistani signature bomb might be from North Korea.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:24 pm
by Undried Plum
Or India. Or Israel. Or, at some time in the future, Saudi Arabia.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:38 pm
by Rwy in Sight
I am pretty sure Israel is very very careful with its weapons if it has any.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:51 pm
by OFSO
The one good thing about a nuclear war is that it would drastically reduce the number of Covid19 deaths.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:29 am
by Dushan
prospector wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:39 pm
How far does anyone think this will go
https://www.rt.com/news/535310-afghanis ... aign=Email
‘We want justice under US law,’ father of 2yo daughter killed in Kabul drone strike tells RT"
“No one can compensate us. If you give us all the money in the world, it will not be enough. It’s not possible. They can’t compensate for the murder of a child, and there is no remedy for this loss,” Akhmadi told RT’s Murad Gazdiev.
Apparently they discovered that there is way to compensate them - let them come to America to live.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:20 am
by John Hill
Dushan wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:29 am
Apparently they discovered that there is way to compensate them - let them come to America to live.
Very poor compensation.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:34 am
by Rwy in Sight
Unless you have some data, the risks illegal immigrant they take to reach the social welfare paradise of Northern Europe would argue against your point - how many kids are sent off to risk their life as to be able to gain refugee status in EU and then invite their family in the countries that accepts them.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:32 am
by John Hill
Rwy in Sight wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:34 am
Unless you have some data, the risks illegal immigrant they take to reach the social welfare paradise of Northern Europe would argue against your point - how many kids are sent off to risk their life as to be able to gain refugee status in EU and then invite their family in the countries that accepts them.
What a load of rubbish! This case is nothing at all about illegal immigrants or Northern Europe, this is about a man who has had ten members of his family illegally killed by foreign invaders and you think the life of children can be bought.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:41 pm
by Dushan
Oh, the life of the children can definitely be bought. In Lebanon, many years ago, when traveling on the backroads through the villages one had to be very careful when going through the villages with minarets. It happened more than once that a small child, usually a girl, was tossed in front of the car and the berieved parents could be consoled with a few hundred Lebanese Pounds.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:49 am
by John Hill
Dushan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:41 pm
Oh, the life of the children can definitely be bought. In Lebanon, many years ago, when traveling on the backroads through the villages one had to be very careful when going through the villages with minarets. It happened more than once that a small child, usually a girl, was tossed in front of the car and the berieved parents could be consoled with a few hundred Lebanese Pounds.
Sounds like they are still doing that..
Baby in stroller killed, mother injured after being hit by vehicle in Lebanon
WGAL News 8
LEBANON, Pa. —
An infant was killed and the child's mother injured when they were hit by a vehicle Monday morning in Lebanon, according to police.
UPDATE: Police have identified the baby as Oswaldo Garcia and his mother as 28-year-old Maricel Gil.
It happened around 10:53 a.m. at the intersection of North 10th and Lehman streets.
Police said a pickup truck operated by a 60-year-old man was headed south on North 10th Street and stopped at a red light.
As the man made a left turn onto Lehman Street, police said, he struck Gil as she was crossing the street with Garcia in a stroller.
The 15-week-old child died, and Gil was taken to a hospital. Police said her injuries are not life-threatening.
The driver and a 4-year-old passenger were not hurt, police said.
Anyone who may have witnessed the crash is asked to call police at 717-272-6611.
Re: Afghanistan (where the war is over)
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:17 am
by Dushan
Of the mark by 10,000 km, as usual. We never expected any different.