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#421 Post by FD2 » Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:20 am

In 1968 the two year old ferry Wahine was overwhelmed by Cyclone Giselle which had coupled with another storm - winds in Wellington gusted to 170 mph. They could have rode it out, in the Cook Straight, but in the narrow harbour entrance they couldn't manoeuvre out of danger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEV_Wahine

We have better weather forecasting now but the breakdowns show that the present two fleets of ferries are clapped out and it was lucky the anchor(s) held after the Kaitaki broke down on the 28th January with 864 people onboard and ended up very close to the rocks before power was restored. It's a scandal and looks like the ferry companies are taking too many risks. Two new ones are on order but won't be here for another two to four years.

The tourist season is in full swing and the ferries are heavily booked G-TN.

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#422 Post by Boac » Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:32 am

One wonders if the SNP have been advising? :))

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#423 Post by llondel » Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:55 pm

Boac wrote:
Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:32 am
One wonders if the SNP have been advising? :))
Funny, my thoughts also wandered to Scotland too.

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#424 Post by FD2 » Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:34 pm

Wahine was Govan built but that was in the days they built ships without the SNP's help...

Some info about two new ones: https://www.irex.co.nz/new-ferries

Two replace three and no urgency and thank goodness they are really really 'green'. They are being built in South Korea so should arrive on time, unlike CalMac's. :ymdevil:

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#425 Post by prospector » Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:09 am

This article may be of interest to folk who wish to know some of the real history of New Zealand rather than the new school history curriculum that has been authorized by "Chippy" when he was minister of Education.

In October 1771, Marion du Fresne set out from France to explore the South Pacific with two ships, the Mascarin and the Marquis de Castries, a 16-gun war ship. After leaving Tasmania, he sighted Mount Egmont/Taranaki on the 25 March 1772. While trying to locate fresh water he found the natives were hostile and with a storm approaching, decided to travel North to the Bay of Islands. In an encounter with the natives, one of his crew was pieced in the leg by a spear.
He landed at Kororareka (now Russell) in the Bay of Islands and became friendly with the Ngare Raumati tribe. Here he stayed for five weeks repairing his ships, gathering spars and trading with the natives. All went well until du Fresne broke tapu by fishing in a bay that a group of Ngare Raumati had been drowned a few years earlier. While he was warned of the tapu, he took no notice and the natives killed him and his party of 24.
As the ships had not been fully repaired and there were still spars to be collected, a party went ashore and drove off the tribe, killing 250 of them in the process and torching their village. A few years later Ngare Raumati was overrun by Napuhi and no longer exists.
In 1831, it was rumoured that the French naval vessel La Favourite intended to annex New Zealand to France in retaliation for the killings of Marion du Fresne and 24 of his crew. The natives decided to place a British flag on the mission flagstaff, reasoning if the French torn it down, the Missionaries would appeal to Britain for protection.
There was also a threat from a Baron du Theiry to declare French Sovereignty over New Zealand. He had purchased a large area of land at Hokianga and it was rumoured he had summonsed a French war ship to enforce his sovereignty as well as body guards of Tahitian trained natives to sustain it. The French government had also expressed interest to appoint du Theiry to the Office of French Consul to New Zealand.
It also became known, Ngati Toa of Kapiti had conspired with the Captain of the Elizabeth to raid and kill members of Ngai Tahu tribe of the South Island. They avoided punishment due to the uncertainties regarding British subjects in New Zealand. Northern Maoris were disturbed by the alliance of the Maoris and the British forces, fearing it could set a precedence for the now armed southern tribes Ngapuhi had slaughtered over the last ten years, killing an estimated 60,000 of their fellow country men for the fun of it and an easy meal.
After this, 13 powerful northern chiefs sent a letter to the King in Britain asking him to become their friend and protector of these islands.

http://onenzfoundation.co.nz/articles/t ... g-in-1831/

(Enclosure 3 in NO.1)
To King William, The Gracious Chief of England.
King William
To King William, the gracious Chief of England. King William, we, the chiefs of New Zealand assembled at this place, called the Kerikeri, write to thee, for we hear that thou art the great chief of the other side of the water, since the many ships which come to our land are from thee. We are a people without possessions. We have nothing but timber, flax, pork and potatoes. We sell these things however to your people; then we see property of the Europeans. It is only thy land, which is liberal towards us. From thee also come the missionaries who teach us to believe on Jehovah God and on Jesus Christ His Son. We have heard that the tribe of Marian [the French] is at hand, coming to take away our land. Therefore we pray thee to become our friend and the guardian of these islands, lest the teasing of other tribes should come near us, and lest strangers should come and take away our land. And if any of thy people should be troublesome and vicious towards us we pray thee to be angry with them that they may be obedient, lest the anger of the people of this land fall upon them. This letter is from us, the chief’s of the natives of New Zealand.
(Signed) William Yate,

Secretary to the Church Mission Society, New Zealand.

Wererahi Chief of Paroa.
Rewa Chief of Waimate
Patuone & Nene Two brothers, Chiefs of Hokianga
Kekeao Chief of Ahuahu
Titore Chief of Kororarika
Tamoranaga Chief of Taiamai
Ripe Chief of Mapere
Hara Chief of Ohaiawa
Atuahaere Chief of Kaikohe
Moetara Chief of Pakanai
Matangi Chief of Waima
Taunai Chief of Hutakuta

It would appear Britain was not interested in New Zealand in any way, certainly not as another Colony, enough problems with Australia at the time.

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#426 Post by Karearea » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:29 pm

NZ Herald: Making the Grade: Ministry of Education releases literacy and maths common practice model
Two possible methods for maths teaching are : thinking and working mathematically which has a focus on problem-solving; and supporting ākonga relationships with maths which “encompass feelings and emotions related to maths”.
Comment by the Leader of the Opposition:
“The curriculum’s wooliness means teachers are spending their weekends and evenings trying to figure out what they are supposed to be teaching. They should not have to do that. It should be clear.”
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#427 Post by FD2 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:12 am

I had two emotions concerning maths at school. Pretty ambivalent about applied maths but much warmer towards pure maths, but I don't think emotions helped much with the 'A' Level results. I think it was the same with sciences - understanding the principles was much the best way...

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#428 Post by barkingmad » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:55 pm

Is this the legacy of the Toothy Tyrant, graduate of the Global Young Leaders dusty halls of academe, who I believed has officially left the helm and handed over to someone hopefully more in tune with the average Kiwi trying to earn an honest crust and have their children sensibly educated?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/posie-par ... SC3IS4QH4/

Scenes like this will hardly endear NZ as a destination for holidays or even, gawd forbid, a film company with the wrong phrase buried in their script, the industry which put the islands back on the map.

I trust all these protesters were fully injected against the 'plague' IAW the TT's obsession with 'zero-plague' and I'm shocked at the paucity of face nappies evident amongst the peace-loving free-speech-friendly natives.

Thank goodness I enjoyed my holiday there in 2019, I will never return if this is typical of their variation on post-plague insanity. X(

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#429 Post by prospector » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:48 pm

"hopefully more in tune with the average Kiwi trying to earn an honest crust and have their children sensibly educated?"

It would appear not. This person when he was minister of education, had the history of New Zealand past rewritten and made mandatory in the school curiculum. He would also appear to really enjoy being part of the gay parades in NZ

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#430 Post by FD2 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:11 pm

Agree totally with JKR on the conduct of the baying mob. One of them was quoted as saying there was no violence just the sweet sound of 5,000 plus people cheering and shouting together. Well if I was the figure of 'hate' they were shouting at I think I would have been more than a little scared, but then we know that mobs like this, no matter how well intentioned, cannot listen to any other viewpoint than their own. The press here continually showed clips of the violence that erupted during Parker's Melbourne event and deliberately conflated the two things - 'Posey Parker is obviously in league with the boys in black' - was the message and the screaming mob swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

One of the channels even had a 'live' reporter at Auckland Airport giving details of where in the air Parker's flight was thought to be, between here and Oz.

It's unfortunate that the cops can't weed out the thugs from the peaceful and legal demonstrators, as events in the Parliament grounds showed, when the demonstrators were joined by the malcontents who had nothing whatever to do with protests against vaccinations, agriculture, water or any of the other things the demo was about. They just wanted to confront the police and the politicians for a 'rammie'. They want the 'system' changed so that they are free to behave and do exactly as they please.

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#431 Post by FD2 » Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:26 pm

'Controversial activist' https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-front ... LHMAD6ZJM/

The Herald's take on the affair - did the legal expert just want her banned as the 'hip hop collective' had been?

Did the New Zealand cops underestimate their numbers required to keep order at Parker's event or was it deliberate?

I suppose saying that women are adult females is controversial these days. The mob seems to believe, like Sturgeon, that anyone can become a woman just by saying they are.

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#432 Post by FD2 » Mon Mar 27, 2023 4:38 am

Shooting the mouth off then trying to row back. The Greens are very cross because the Government has dropped some of the sillier policies they supported. I wonder what the statistics would show if the numbers of violent male offenders were sorted by racial percentage.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/ ... NHTHMCDUY/

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#433 Post by FD2 » Mon Mar 27, 2023 4:51 am

Just when you thought that the local press couldn't get even more stupid:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/3008387 ... e-atlantic

As far as I know Parker has not suggested chemical castration and public humiliation (or jail) for the Trans community like poor Turing suffered or perhaps Reading Jail as Wilde endured. Stuff deserves a stupid award for publishing this piece of inflammatory nonsense.

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#434 Post by Karearea » Tue Apr 04, 2023 3:32 am

Our PM was asked to define a woman.

Mr Hipkins, we're the ones who got the vote in 1893.

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#435 Post by FD2 » Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:34 pm

Juliet Hulme/Anne Perry

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/ ... er-dies-84

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/b ... perry-dies

Parker lives quietly in Kent, teaching children to ride and Hulme settled in and was accepted by locals in Portmahomack near Tain.

Peter Jackson's first big film on his trail to glory, not forgetting Kate Winslett and Melanie Linskey.

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#436 Post by Karearea » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:06 pm

^ Opinions I've read suggest that the sight of her books on library shelves here made many people shudder.
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#437 Post by FD2 » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:18 pm

I bet - it was very shocking at the time and no doubt still is to those who were here and remember it. Twenty or so times with a brick plus the other factors (possibly) involved.

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#438 Post by FD2 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:28 am

After over 5 years of a socialist government, the Inland Revenue has published the results of a study of income tax in New Zealand. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/131862 ... -zealander

Richest Kiwis pay about half as much tax on the dollar as the average New Zealander 8-|

I suspect that hoping for any reform of the income tax system will be wishful thinking. (-| i-)

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#439 Post by Karearea » Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:14 pm

Pest control: $2.76million expended to kill 18 wallabies, about $153,000 a wobble.
On a per wallaby basis, it has cost more than $150,000 for each of the pest animals killed in Otago over the past couple of years, the Taxpayers’ Union says.
The government-spending pressure group is decrying the $2.76million, and more than 26,000 hours of work, spent on Otago’s wallaby control programme, which has killed just 18 wallabies since July 1, 2020.

Compared to neighbouring Canterbury, where the cost per wallaby destroyed was $764 and just under 5 hours of human labour, Otago’s wallaby control efforts were a "shocking waste of taxpayer money", the pressure group said.

The Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) has today responded, saying in areas where wallaby numbers are greater, such as in Canterbury the numbers of pests killed were in the thousands, whereas in Otago where there were very few of the introduced animals, the control programmes focussed on surveillance. ...
Otago Daily Times: MPI defends $2.76m cost of Otago wallaby control
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Early European settlers called drowning "the New Zealand death".

#440 Post by Karearea » Tue May 09, 2023 8:20 pm

Searchers have recovered a body at Abbey Falls in Northland where a pupil was missing after a school trip during bad weather on Tuesday. ...
A public outcry blasted the school for allowing the trip to go ahead despite the region being under an orange heavy rain warning. MetService had forecast 90mm of rain yesterday.

Parents posted online criticising the school’s “absolutely insane” decision.

Questions about why the outing was not called off remain unanswered, and intensified after Stuff revealed pupils were meant to be rock climbing but the forecast downpours forced the trip underground instead. ...
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/bod ... ing-pupil

Only fifteen years since this tragedy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangatepo ... n_disaster
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