Is England up the creek?

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compo · #1 Post by **compo** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:25 pm

Tory lead government has voted to ditch the paddle - along with the poo.

Rossian · #2 Post by **Rossian** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:39 am

Er, no.
OK I'll risk it. What brought on that particular sentiment at 12:25am on a Monday?

The Ancient Mariner

Boac · #3 Post by **Boac** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:07 am

Whatever brought it on affected me as well. In short, 64 Conservative MPs voted against a HoL amendment to the Environment Act to restrict the freedom of ?English? water companies to dump untreated sewage into rivers and the sea.

I have asked my MP why he voted so. Would that bring on any sentiments for you?

TheGreenGoblin · #4 Post by **TheGreenGoblin** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:26 am

Boac wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:07 am
Whatever brought it on affected me as well. In short, 64 Conservative MPs voted against a HoL amendment to the Environment Act to restrict the freedom of ?English? water companies to dump untreated sewage into rivers and the sea.

I have asked my MP why he voted so. Would that bring on any sentiments for you?

What else would you expect from the current shower of ***** in government?

Pontius Navigator · #5 Post by **Pontius Navigator** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:32 am

Would be interesting to plot the constituencies in relation to pollution. How did Labour vote? It would seem to be a classic non-party political issue.

TheGreenGoblin · #6 Post by **TheGreenGoblin** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:56 am

Pontius Navigator wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:32 am
Would be interesting to plot the constituencies in relation to pollution. How did Labour vote? It would seem to be a classic non-party political issue.

Let ***** be judged in all its other facets... their stream of brown runs wide and smelly across the spectrum of all the issues facing this benighted country!

Pontius Navigator · #7 Post by **Pontius Navigator** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:38 am

Ah, but where's there's muck......

TheGreenGoblin · #8 Post by **TheGreenGoblin** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:16 am

Pontius Navigator wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:38 am
Ah, but where's there's muck......

And where there are Tories there is arse!

And glad handing, brown paper envelopes, dodgy contracts, dubious tax arrangements and the foul smell of corruption!

AtomKraft · #9 Post by **AtomKraft** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:25 am

Well Gob, I'm a Tory by nature, but the problem is Boris has forgotten what a Tory is.

I really despair at the way things are going in the UK, particularly the green lunacy. I think it's awful that the poorest people are paying 20% extra on their bills which frankly they could put to better use.

Pontius Navigator · #10 Post by **Pontius Navigator** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:09 pm

TheGreenGoblin wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:16 am

Pontius Navigator wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:38 am
Ah, but where's there's muck......
And where there are Tories there is arse!

And glad handing, brown paper envelopes, dodgy contracts, dubious tax arrangements and the foul smell of corruption!

aye, look at Jack Straw and Geoff Hoon.

The following link is interesting :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor ... _of_crimes

I haven't attempted to compare one party with the other.

Boac · #11 Post by **Boac** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:49 pm

AK wrote:the poorest people are paying 20% extra on their bills

When did that happen?

TheGreenGoblin · #12 Post by **TheGreenGoblin** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:59 pm

AtomKraft wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:25 am
Well Gob, I'm a Tory by nature, but the problem is Boris has forgotten what a Tory is.

I really despair at the way things are going in the UK, particularly the green lunacy. I think it's awful that the poorest people are paying 20% extra on their bills which frankly they could put to better use.

Don't get me wrong! There are some Tories who are perfectly fine people (even you Atom

) but I don't know what this Johnsonian cabal is all about. I think Britain will rue this period in its history.

llondel · #13 Post by **llondel** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:33 am

TheGreenGoblin wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:59 pm

AtomKraft wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:25 am
Well Gob, I'm a Tory by nature, but the problem is Boris has forgotten what a Tory is.

I really despair at the way things are going in the UK, particularly the green lunacy. I think it's awful that the poorest people are paying 20% extra on their bills which frankly they could put to better use.

Don't get me wrong! There are some Tories who are perfectly fine people (even you Atom ) but I don't know what this Johnsonian cabal is all about. I think Britain will rue this period in its history.

What amazes me is how badly the opposition is doing. Just what does the government have to do to fall behind in the polls?

AtomKraft · #14 Post by **AtomKraft** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:40 am

boac.
All uk electric consumers are paying an extra 20%. It's a levy thats given to the windfarm people, and its why they are profitable.
Even the poorest have to pay it.

OFSO · #15 Post by **OFSO** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:12 pm

I see the exemption for hybrid cars entering London paying £15 a visit is due to disappear, followed by the exemption for electric cars in 2025, from which date all cars will be charged. At least the drivers wealthy enough with £50k plus to buy a Tesla are those that have no problem finding the cash. The government, such as it is, is also working on taxation plans for electric cars to replace lost revenue on ICU fuels.

Boac · #16 Post by **Boac** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:06 pm

AK wrote:All uk electric consumers are paying an extra 20%.

News to me can you show me when and how that change happened? Did it affect fixed price contracts? Why are

the poorest people are paying 20% extra on their bills

Did you mean everyone and have a PN moment?

AtomKraft · #17 Post by **AtomKraft** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:10 pm

boac.
Try googling UK electric green surcharge.

It's been going on for many years, and I really cannot remember when it started. Seems they are changing some of it from leccy to gas- maybe that just happened today.

I got this in a few seconds https://californianewstimes.com/uk-gree ... ls/541478/

But it's been going on for ages and ages. Pensioners, poor folk, everyone in fact, has been paying it for decades.

How else could these inefficient wind turbines ever get built without sunsidies?
Remember, it's all about the ROCs- want me to google that for you too?

John Hill · #18 Post by **John Hill** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:38 pm

AtomKraft wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:10 pm
How else could these inefficient wind turbines ever get built without sunsidies?

Well yes, wind turbines are in the end driven by the sun.

Boac · #19 Post by **Boac** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:11 pm

Yep - he's had a PN moment.

AtomKraft · #20 Post by **AtomKraft** » Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:50 pm

boac.
Wind turbines are powered by the Sun, but they are built from subsidies.

A Chum of mine is a commissioning electrician on these big wind farms- they all know it's bollocks, but it is paying their wages!

If it was such a sensible and profitable deal, why the extra 20% on everyones bills? Have you any idea how much dough that is?

Edit to add, I see my typo now. You guys fixate on that,

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