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For heaven's sake.

#1 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:16 am

This Climate bollocks is utterly out of control!

There is NOTHING happening!

I feel like I'm trapped in a world populated by masses of stupid people.

Sure, reduce pollution, do more with less- no problem, but us in charge of the climate? Gimme a break!

The Climate here gets warmer, and cooler- get used to it. Maybe it's us, maybe the planet- either way we have to adapt.

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#2 Post by John Hill » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:35 am

No you don't, just sid-down shut up and drink your beer.
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#3 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:18 am

John Hill wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:35 am
No you don't, just sid-down shut up and drink your beer.
These Kiwis are definitely saying... FFS...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... adaptation
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#4 Post by Rwy in Sight » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:44 am

John Hill wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:35 am
No you don't, just sid-down shut up and drink your beer.

I am not sure it is a good argument particularly for a person of a liberal point of view.

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#5 Post by John Hill » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:20 am

If he does not want to be part of the solution he should find a nice beachfront cottage and enjoy whatever is ahead of us.
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#6 Post by John Hill » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:24 am

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:18 am
John Hill wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:35 am
No you don't, just sid-down shut up and drink your beer.
These Kiwis are definitely saying... FFS...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... adaptation
What utter tūtae, you have been told that there is nothing happening. There is still plenty of land in NZ not slipping in to the sea and some is over two miles above sea level. Relax.
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#7 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:15 am

John Hill wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:24 am
TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:18 am
John Hill wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:35 am
No you don't, just sid-down shut up and drink your beer.
These Kiwis are definitely saying... FFS...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... adaptation
What utter tūtae, you have been told that there is nothing happening. There is still plenty of land in NZ not slipping in to the sea and some is over two miles above sea level. Relax.
Well I am relieved to hear it! I guess you would not be too worried, being a Hill and all! ;)))
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#8 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:56 am

I bet the early settlers on Dogger Bank thought they had an ideal spot for their village with good views of the Devil's Hole and easy fishing.

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#9 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:28 am

Pontious.
Exactly. Dogger Bank was once habitable, but now it's under water, and it certainly wasn't drowned by humans!

Things change here. Trying to prevent it is futile....and expensive.

I tell you the truth. Things change here, they always have, they always will, and there is sweet FA we can do about it.

COP 26 is just a wankers convention. It will achieve nothing at all, but no matter as there's no "Emergency", no "Crisis" and in fact, no problem at all.

It may get a tiny bit warmer, or it may not.
The weather might cut up a bit rough, or it might not.

It's a great idea to do more with less, and nobody stands against measures to reduce pollution, but there is nothing to fret about.

I wish these pious climate warriors would get back to their lentil knitting and stop wagging their 'oh so righteous' fingers at the rest of us.

Our own John Hill is a perfect example of a galloping left wing enviro-****- first in the queue to panic like a **** schoolgirl.

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#10 Post by John Hill » Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:27 pm

What is the god-awful squawking sound I hear?
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#11 Post by Boac » Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:43 pm

John - fret not. It is the sound of the 'anti'-bird (often seen shagging the female in parts of Asia) which would not take any action to prevent its nest being flooded by rising water since it has 'no control' over that.

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#12 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:11 pm

Well boac.
What's the point of the UK putting itself through the shredder as the Chinese open 100 coal fired power stations each year?

I am one of a few folk who express doubt about all this eco-babble, but that's only because most folk who disagree have been shouted down so loudly that they just keep quiet- but there are millions of them.

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#13 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:19 pm

Atom as much as I love you as a friend. You are are a totally ignorant knob head..

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#14 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:40 pm

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#15 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:29 pm

Gob.
At least I know something about the subject, unlike most believers, like yersel'

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#16 Post by John Hill » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:41 pm

AtomKraft wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:29 pm
At least I know something about the subject, unlike most believers, like yersel'
I notice you are very reluctant to demonstrate your knowledge.
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#17 Post by prospector » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:14 pm

Where as you are forever displaying your lack of in this area

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#18 Post by John Hill » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:38 pm

prospector wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:14 pm
Where as you are forever displaying your lack of in this area
Oh dear! I find your astonishingly clever quip to be painfully offensive. YMWHISTLE
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#19 Post by AtomKraft » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:21 am

Ok.
97% of CO2 is natural.
So when we wrangle with ourselves about reducing it- we are only talking about the 3% that was us.

Temp change in the last 100 years or so, is observed at 0.6- 0.8 of one degree Celsius. But what's NOT KNOWN is how much was anthropogenic and how much was natural.

Guys.
It is a political agenda, not a scientific one.

It's the lefty control freaks v. us normal folk.

Greeny activists are invariably left wing wankers. And there it is.

Like you John- you fcuking bedwetter.

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#20 Post by llondel » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:44 am

I quite like some of the follow-on effects. Incentives to make cars more fuel efficient (which will make fossil fuels last longer), electric cars, solar panels cheap enough that I can put on my roof (electric bill down to 8% of pre-solar, system will pay for itself in another couple of years).

The sun is a mildly variable star, which is why climate has varied between mild in the Middle Ages and skating on the Thames in more recent times. It doesn't take much variation in thermal output to have a significant effect on the Earth's surface. Even Mt St Helens had a noticeable effect in the years afterwards because of the dust it threw into the atmosphere. Of course, Nature compensates for its CO2 release to some extent - a wildfire releases a lot of CO2 but it dumps a lot of particulates into the air too, which can help reduce the effect by blocking the sun's rays. Clean burning cars don't do that, you get the CO2 without the soot.

As for 0.6-0.8C, what you have to be careful of is hysteresis. It's used in electronics and mechanical stuff too, to cause a noticeable change and require a significant shift in the opposite direction to reverse it. The risk is that if it gets too warm, other processes, such as thawing of permafrost and suddenly releasing a load of stored CO2, might suddenly cause a rapid rise in temperature with all the knock-on effects that might cause. The human input is harmless unless it, combined with natural stuff over which we have no control, hits one of those critical thresholds.

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