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#1741 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:11 pm

They must think every Rooskie aircrew is as good as you and me, PN =))

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#1742 Post by John Hill » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:15 pm

In some theatres precision weapons hit only guilty parties.
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#1743 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:47 am

John Hill wrote:
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In some theatres precision weapons hit only guilty parties.
Unless they don't.

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#1744 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:55 am

Almost 60 years ago we were once briefed on an airfield target with the caveat that a shanty town, not on the maps, was adjacent to the airfield boundary.

Of post-WW2 and the nuclear age, we gave little thought to collateral damage other than it being a bonus. As we would have been dropping sticks of bombs with a damage area 1,800x400 yards and an accuracy of around 1,500 yards expected and at night, civilian casualties would have been enormous.

I still shudder when I think about it.

Most of our nuclear targets would have wreaked havoc on the Baltic States, Belarus and Ukraine.

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#1745 Post by boing » Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:34 pm

Sadly the whole idea of reducing collateral damage is cynical positioning. We can see quite plainly what a military target is, we can see quite plainly what a civilian target is but these are the 30% on either extreme of the targets. In the middle we have a host of targets with less clear functions, power stations, factories, transportation facilities and other "dual use" or support functions. These will be attacked as part of the route to winning and who can judge, or control, who is collateral damage. Poor, peace loving, never hurt anybody, Fred goes to work and dies because he is a swtchman on a railway line at the wrong time. Reducing collateral damage stopped when small national armies disappeared and even then you could say that scavenging the local produce that the residents relied upon for winter food was damage.

Deliberate civilian damage to support a military operation by simply destroying civilian morale is evil but I don't think a measure of civilian damage is avoidable in modern warfare because support of the war inevitably involves all of a nation's resources.

I remember one target well because it was a building in the centre of an otherwise harmless city, it was a military administration centre for the area, you can't take out just one building with a nuke.

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#1746 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:55 pm

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I remember one target well because it was a building in the centre of an otherwise harmless city, it was a military administration centre for the area, you can't take out just one building with a nuke.
I think I can say, hand on heart that all our targets were military. One, the HQ of the Baltic Fleet. I think it was in Nevsky Prospekt. Another the HQ of the Western Military District, as if they would still be there.

Of course a military airfield was clearly legitimate but for some curious reason they were all near towns 😊 Like attacks on Waddington and Scampton would not be an attack on Lincoln, though the old Army drill hall would have been legitimate. For good measure Sobaron Barracks was probably on their list even though it had been sold for housing.

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#1747 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:07 am

Looks like the Russians tried to fix Kherson's Antonovski Bridge last night, but they seem to have picked HIMARS o'clock. Looks like the repair equipment burning.
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The Dnipro crossing further north by the power station got hit again also.
The Russians finally appear to have got the message about Chornobaivka, and are now using Chaplinka about 100km back as their helo main base....which got hit last night also. This would appear to be outside the announced range of HIMARS, so they either used something else or HIMARS longest range missiles are now in use.

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#1748 Post by Pontius Navigator » Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:10 am

Oh dear, how sad, never mind

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#1749 Post by PHXPhlyer » Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:54 am

Pentagon acknowledges sending previously undisclosed anti-radar missiles to Ukraine

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics ... index.html

The Pentagon announced Monday that the US has sent anti-radar missiles for Ukrainian aircraft to target Russian radar systems, marking the first time the Defense Department has acknowledged sending the previously undisclosed missile to Ukraine.

Colin Kahl, the under secretary of defense for policy, said at a press briefing that the US had sent “a number” of the missiles without specifying how many the US has provided or when they were sent. Kahl did not explicitly say what type of anti-radiation missile was sent.

A defense official told CNN the type of missile sent was the AGM-88 High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM).

Produced by Raytheon, HARMs have a range in excess of 30 miles, according to the US Air Force, making them one of the longer-range weapons the US has provided to Ukraine. The missiles can be used to target Russian anti-aircraft radar systems, such as the S-400, which have made it very difficult for the Ukrainian Air Force to operate over large swaths of Ukrainian airspace. The missiles can also target Russian counter-battery radars, which Russia uses to target Ukrainian artillery.

Kahl said the missiles had been sent over “in recent [Presidential Drawdown Authority] packages,” but the five most recent packages, dating to July 1, make no mention of HARMs.

“In the near term, we’ve been doing lots of things to make Ukraine’s existing air force stay in the air and be more capable,” Kahl said.

He pointed to the spare parts for Mig-29s that the US helped send into Ukraine to keep the Soviet-era fighter jets flying. Kahl then mentioned the missiles, saying they “can have effects on Russian radars and other things.”

The Ukrainians have not publicly acknowledged receiving or using HARMs.

In recent days, open source reports have shown the remains of what appear to be the fin of a HARM missile that targeted a Russian position in Ukraine.

Kahl announced the missiles in a briefing about the Pentagon’s latest $1 billion weapons package for Ukraine, the largest package of US weapons to date.

The package was focused on supplying ammunition for some of the key weapon systems the US has sent to Ukraine. That includes the High-Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), which the Ukrainian military has effectively used to target Russian command posts, ammo depots, and more, as well as the M777 howitzers that have been a critical part of the fight in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine.

Russia, Kahl said, has had approximately 70,000-80,000 casualties of war, including killed and wounded in action, so far in the conflict.

“That number might be a little lower, little higher, but I think that’s kind of in the ballpark,” he said. He also added that Russia has lost between 3,000-4,000 armored vehicles.

With this latest package, the US has committed to sending Ukraine a total of $9.1 billion in security assistance since the beginning of Russia’s invasion in late February.

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#1750 Post by prospector » Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:45 am

Could be be a game changer if true
https://asiatimes.com/2022/08/north-kor ... n-ukraine/

""The Kremlin, with its offensive in Ukraine largely stalled for a month and apparently unwilling to send conscripts into the carnage, certainly needs more boots on the ground if it is to regain the operational initiative. It also needs a solution to Kiev’s use of high-precision, long-range artillery.

At first glance, North Korea could provide that solution: It boasts both a massive pool of trained military manpower and a formidable long-range artillery arm. And North Korea – isolated, impoverished and massively dependent upon China – appears to be using the Ukraine War to move closer politically to Russia.

The Russian Armed Forces are 900,000-strong, but Putin continues to fight the Ukraine war only with professionals and volunteers despite the urgings of hardliners to deploy the entire Russian Army, conscripts and all.""

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#1751 Post by John Hill » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:08 am

WRT North Korea, we must always bear in mind that 90% of what we know (or think we know) about North Korea we got from the same people who told us about Saddam's WMDs, the other 10% is utter .......
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#1752 Post by boing » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:43 am

One thing we do know is that it is normally a 6 day train journey from Vladivostok to Moscow, presently there are two trains per day. Estimate 1000 troops per day, probably an overestimate, that equals 100 travel days to move 100,000 troops. Let's be generous and cut that in half, fifty days. How many NK troops speak Russian, how many NK officers speak Russian? How long would it take to move their equipment, does Russia have enough arms reserves to supply 100,000 troops? Is Russian equipment compatible in ammunition and operation with the NK equipment or would NK troops need to be trained on present day Russian equipment?

Nice rumour but even if true unlikely that it would do anything except provide Russia with more troops to sacrifice. Now, the Chinese could aid in the movement but they don't need anymore distractions just at the moment.

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#1753 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:45 am

boing, I think your train capacity might be way off. I know you allowed double but I think double again, so 8,000 per day. Equipment is something else, but human wave attacks don't need much more than 10 rounds and a bayonet.
I just had a look at the Korean war summaries.
Interesting that there were no listed Korean defectors but significant numbers of Chinese.
How many Koreans would actually make the front?

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#1754 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:37 am

I think the suggestion of North Koreans tells us how desperate things have become for Russia, rather than any realistic possibility of it happening.

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#1755 Post by John Hill » Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:48 am

That could be true but it is also true that the notion of North Koreans going to the aid of Russia, either as fighting troops or as labour battalions, is also an indication of how desperate things are in North Korea (but of course we do not care about that).
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#1756 Post by prospector » Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:58 am

https://www.rt.com/news/560429-us-lawma ... -aid-scam/

" Republican lawmakers are feeling vindicated for opposing a $40 billion Ukraine aid package after a CBS News report showed that only 30% of the Western weapons flooding into the country are actually making it to the front lines in Kiev’s conflict with Russia.

“This [is] one of the reasons I voted ‘no,’” US Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Georgia) said on Twitter in a retweet of the CBS News post. Greene was among 57 House Republicans who voted against the massive aid bill, which passed overwhelmingly in May with the support of all Democrats and most GOP lawmakers. Eleven Republicans opposed the bill in the Senate, where it passed by an 86-11 margin."

I would think that to many news articles like the above will soon be putting the U.S. taxpayers calling "ENOUGH"

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#1757 Post by G-CPTN » Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:03 am

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#1758 Post by prospector » Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:10 am

Works OK for me with that address, here is more of the article

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Republican lawmakers are feeling vindicated for opposing a $40 billion Ukraine aid package after a CBS News report showed that only 30% of the Western weapons flooding into the country are actually making it to the front lines in Kiev’s conflict with Russia.

“This [is] one of the reasons I voted ‘no,’” US Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Georgia) said on Twitter in a retweet of the CBS News post. Greene was among 57 House Republicans who voted against the massive aid bill, which passed overwhelmingly in May with the support of all Democrats and most GOP lawmakers. Eleven Republicans opposed the bill in the Senate, where it passed by an 86-11 margin.

The CBS story noted that with nearly $60 billion in US and Western European aid approved for Ukraine since Russia’s military offensive began in February, most of the weaponry has failed to get through to Ukrainian fighters. Getting weapons to the troops involves navigating a complex network of “power lords, oligarchs [and] political players,” the outlet cited Lithuanian aid group founder Jonas Ohman as saying. Amnesty International senior crisis adviser Donatella Rovera told CBS that “there is really no information” on where the weapons are going.

READ MORE: 70% of Western weapons sent to Ukraine don’t reach troops – CBS
Representative Lauren Boebert (R-Colorado) said such scrutiny had been dismissed prior to the CBS report. “How many people were called Russian bots for saying this exact same thing since March? Now, when CBS says it, it’s perfectly fine. Whatever the case, glad the facts are out now. The majority of the Ukraine aid is a scam.”


And just a bit more along the same lines, https://www.rt.com/russia/560472-german ... airs/iness
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German newspaper Die Welt has put Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky’s “secret deals” under the microscope by carrying an extract from a new book which suggests the head of state may have evaded taxes at home.

The paper cited parts of “Zelensky: A Biography” that deal with alleged cases of corruption involving the Ukrainian leader.

It says that in 2019, Zelensky was found to have offshore accounts in Cyprus, and research by Slidstvo.info revealed that the former comedian owns companies in the British Virgin Islands and Belize, including the “previously unknown” Maltex Multicapital Corp., which owns apartments in central London worth $7.5 million.

The corporation is also said to have received a total of $40 million from Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoysky since 2012. Zelensky apparently transferred his shares in this company to a close friend shortly before the 2019 presidential election, which he went on to win.

While it was not clear what the purpose behind the scheme was, Ukrainian investigative journalists speculated at the time that Zelensky might have used it to dodge taxes at home, or that he participated in money laundering for Kolomoysky.

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The excerpt also states that the airing of a documentary called ‘Offshore 95’, which centered on Zelensky’s alleged shady dealings revealed in the Pandora Papers, was canceled in Kiev at the last minute last October. The cinema’s manager had apparently received a call from the SBU, Ukraine’s security service, the extract said, citing Ukrainian media. It was only thanks to public outcry that the screening did take place later in the day, it said.

Despite initially refusing to answer questions posed by Slidstvo.info, Zelensky’s office explained in October 2021 that “everyone relocated their business abroad, especially in the TV industry” during the “Yanukovich times,” a reference to former President Viktor Yanukovich. Zelensky also claimed that the tax authorities looked into his dealings “almost every day” at the time, implying that they never found any violations. He also vehemently denied involvement in any money laundering, but dodged a question about whether he had actually paid all the taxes due at all times.

A journalist from Slidstvo.info was, however, apparently not satisfied with the president’s reply and suggested the next day that the mere existence of this offshore corporation pointed to the fact that Zelensky does not “trust the country in which you built up your business and which you are in charge of.”

“You want to conceal something, and you have a reason for that,” she said.

According to the book, on October 27, Ukraine’s National Agency on Corruption Prevention announced that it had conducted a probe into Zelensky’s business activities and found nothing illegal.

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#1759 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:15 am

1. The CBS reporter's source of information is a Latvian who only ships non-lethal supplies. They know nothing about the weapons AT ALL.
2. CBS has pulled its documentary.
3. Do you expect any military to supply details of its weapons shipments in wartime, especially to the media?

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#1760 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:30 am

When Spitfires rolled off the production line and were ferried directly to front line stations, when pilots gained 9 hours on type out of training, things are desparate.

When NLAW are delivered to the front line and used same day, things are desperate.

When supply exceeds consumption then you can build up a reserve. When supply is not required immediately then you will add it to your reserve.

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