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Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war

#3421 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:52 pm

The lack of armoured support for the Russians might be just that, a lack of armour.

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#3422 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:40 pm

And the lack of arty ammo could also be just that.

On the other hand, since Wagner still has a few rapists and murderers left to throw at the Ukes, they might as well use them and save all the fancy stuff for attacks in the Spring.

The ground still appears to be very muddy, both NE and SE, so the Ukes are probably unable to exploit any husbanding of resources by the Russians.
This La Nina winter is making things uniquely soft underfoot here as well.

A better-kept secret is that the Ukes may be training on Apaches in the US also.

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#3423 Post by k3k3 » Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:58 pm

First reports from Der Spiegel say Germany will send a company of Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine and will permit other countries to re-export theirs.

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschl ... 2d58fd850f

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#3424 Post by G-CPTN » Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:59 pm

Why is the transfer of the Leopards taking so long?

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#3425 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:01 pm

Scholz is a corrupt commie stooge wishes to be extra cautious of the risk of escalation.

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#3426 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:08 pm

Several German media reporting that Scholz will announce to the Bundestag tomorrow that Germany will send a company of Leopards (15) and allow all other nations to do likewise if they wish.

The floodgates have opened!

Norway announces 8 Leopards (out of 36 they have).
Netherlands will buy the 18 Leopards currently leased from Germany, and donate all of them to Ukraine.
Portugal will send some of their 37.
Spain will
Finland will
Poland will send an initial 14

Current total being bandied about is 100+ Leopard 2s. Status of Germany's Leopard 1s unknown (88 in storage)

Latest US rumour is 30-50 Abrams!

Swiss Government is discussing allowing re-export to Ukraine of Swiss-made weapons. They make ammo and anti-tank missiles that equip stuff others want to donate.

I would expect we will have totals and timelines by the end of the week.

Looks like the world has decided putin won't use nukes.
Let's hope they are right!

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#3427 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:47 pm


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#3428 Post by G-CPTN » Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:07 pm

Britain is said to be offering Challenger 2 tanks.

Will they be delivered?

Nice jolly for someone.

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#3429 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:52 pm

Nothing official or on the rumour network that I've seen.
I would imagine they will be delivered promptly.
I would hope the Brits up their commitment to 50 and match the putative Yanks' 50 Abrams. It would make sense logistically and operationally. The Ukes could then have a full brigade of US/Brit tanks, plus another of Leopard 2s, and later maybe a third of mostly Leopard 1s with a company or two of Leopard 2s to make up the difference. This would then constitute the 300 MBTs Ukraine has asked for. That's the dream sheet, anyway.

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#3430 Post by Rwy in Sight » Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:50 am

Just a question from our experience audience: why Germany insisted on USA sending tanks there first?

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#3431 Post by k3k3 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:00 am

Rwy in Sight wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:50 am
Just a question from our experience audience: why Germany insisted on USA sending tanks there first?
To be able to say to Uncle Vlad "Uncle Sam made me do it".

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#3432 Post by John Hill » Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:29 am

Yea, so that if it all turns to custard the blame will fall on the usual culprits.
Been in data comm since we formed the bits individually with a Morse key.

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#3433 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:14 am

Imagine Russia represented by a car......


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#3434 Post by Dushan » Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:40 pm

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote:
Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:08 pm
Several German media reporting that Scholz will announce to the Bundestag tomorrow that Germany will send a company of Leopards (15) and allow all other nations to do likewise if they wish.

The floodgates have opened!

Norway announces 8 Leopards (out of 36 they have).
Netherlands will buy the 18 Leopards currently leased from Germany, and donate all of them to Ukraine.
Portugal will send some of their 37.
Spain will
Finland will
Poland will send an initial 14

Current total being bandied about is 100+ Leopard 2s. Status of Germany's Leopard 1s unknown (88 in storage)

Latest US rumour is 30-50 Abrams!

Swiss Government is discussing allowing re-export to Ukraine of Swiss-made weapons. They make ammo and anti-tank missiles that equip stuff others want to donate.

I would expect we will have totals and timelines by the end of the week.

Looks like the world has decided putin won't use nukes.
Let's hope they are right!
Crickets from Ottawa?
Because they stand on the wall and say "nothing's gonna hurt you tonight, not on my watch".

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#3435 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:51 pm

I think Trudy is still in conclave trying to put lipstick on the pig of the Canadian economy. He refused to answer the Leopard question when it was put just before he went in.
My guess is Canada will probably send 14 Leopards, but it could be 8 or might be 28.
I have no real idea what goes on in Trudy's head. He'll probably do whatever Biden tells him to.

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#3436 Post by Dushan » Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:58 pm

But, but, but the budget will balance itself and he doesn't think much about monetary policy, so what could possibly go wrong?

What goes on in his head? Absolutely nothing.

He does what Klaus Schwab, and Greta tell him, not Biden.
He was heckled and surrounded by 100s of protesters in Hamilton ON, last night. Had to escape through back door of a restaurant.
Because they stand on the wall and say "nothing's gonna hurt you tonight, not on my watch".

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#3437 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:56 pm

The US is advising Ukraine to wait until the new kit has arrived before launching any assaults.
As far as I can tell (from videos), the ground is too soft everywhere for any assaults to happen yet anyway.
(This is partly why the Russians are advancing by inches at the moment).
Temperatures in eastern Ukraine are above freezing in the daytime for the next fortnight at least, and only just below at night.
There may not be a proper freeze-up at all this year.

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#3438 Post by G-CPTN » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:02 pm

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:56 pm
The US is advising Ukraine to wait until the new kit has arrived before launching any assaults.
"It's going to take many months before these tanks are available."

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#3439 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:08 pm

I think this is a cunning ploy by the Yanks.
They mean waiting till the Spring, when most of the kit has arrived.
I am reading that Biden has allocated Abrams tanks from a particular fund which means they need to be built first, i.e. not from existing stocks.
I think this was their way of satisfying Germany's insistence that they send Abrams, without actually sending any, whilst Germany has agreed to both send and allow others to send Leopards.
I like it. I agree with the Yanks that Abrams is the wrong tanks for rush training on and support by a new nation.

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#3440 Post by G-CPTN » Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:16 am

Will the Leopards (and Abrams) be allocated to experienced Ukrainian 'tank-drivers' - or inexperienced squaddies?

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