It's my understanding that there is no international validity for any of Russia's so-called restricted airspace over international waters.
Nor, for that matter, should any other nation declare same.
It's something the media always get wrong when talking about ADIZ incursions.
Anyone know different?
The Greeks.
We used to file for Cyprus avoiding the Athens FIR. If we did penetrate they would tell us to avoid and file a complaint.
Just to add, the Sovs had no such inhibitions when they intercepted an SR71. It was egressing the Gulf of Bothna when they scrambled a Foxbat to catch him on the way out. Scrambled out of the GDR it passed about 14 miles behind. It was assessed that it could have engaged the Blackbird.
In recovery it violated Swedish, Norwegian, Danish and West German airspace. They were not particularly bothered about over flight let alone FIR penetration. Not that NATO had been much bothered either.
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
That does not surprise me but perhaps I can give you a hint, Muscovy is not just the name of an American duck**.
*Not really a duck being more like a goose.
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:32 pm
by Fox3WheresMyBanana
The Athens FIR basically is Greek national (i.e. Sovereign) airspace, since there's less than 24 miles between all the outer southern Greek islands (with two tiny exceptions, both at the eastern end).
They can therefore legally complain.
However, the Black Sea doesn't have islands, so anywhere more than 12 miles from the coast renders the use of Restricted, and therefore also violated, null and void.
The use of FIRs is under Rules set by ICAO, but non-ICAO signatories such as Monaco can do what they like.
In any case, breach of FIR Rules is not grounds for a shootdown. And the same would have applied to the Foxbat.
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:48 pm
by PHXPhlyer
Slovakia to send 13 MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine
From CNN
Slovakia will send 13 MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine, Prime Minister Eduard Heger said Friday, making it the second NATO member to pledge the aircraft after Poland.
"Promises must be kept and when [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky asked for more weapons including fighter jets, I said we'll do our best. Glad others [are] doing the same," Heger said on twitter.
Military aid is key, he added, to ensure Ukraine "can defend itself" and Europe against Russia.
Some context: Poland has already announced that it will transfer four MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine in the coming days.
Polish President Andrzej Duda said the planes – from about a dozen that it had inherited from the former German Democratic Republic – would be handed over after being serviced.
The White House said Thursday that Poland’s decision to send the fighter jets is a "sovereign decision" that won’t spur US President Joe Biden to send F-16 aircraft.
PP
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:22 pm
by Fox3WheresMyBanana
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
The choices every nation made during Russia’s military operation in Ukraine will be “taken into account in building future relations,” Kuleba said, adding that countries that have “misbehaved in the course of this war and mistreated Ukraine” would pay a price.
“If anyone in the world thinks that the way this or that country behaved – or treated Ukraine at the darkest moment of its history – will not be taken into account in building future relations, these people just don’t know how diplomacy works,” he stated, noting that “war is a time when you have to make a choice. And every choice has been recorded."
What a jumped up twat.
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:49 am
by Pontius Navigator
Fox, the bit where we flew was the southern median south of Crete which caused us to enter Libyan and Egyptian airspace. Cairo would never acknowledge (unless you swore at them, then they would complain).
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:56 am
by Pontius Navigator
All military aid donated from NATO countries has been from that State and not NATO. For NATO to supply materiel would require NATO approval and a couple of countries might object.
As far as aircraft, or tanks for that matter, NATO had a position and individual NATO members chose to abide by that decision.
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:39 am
by Pinky the pilot
I see that the International Criminal Court has cited Putin as a War Criminal and called for his arrest!
I'm sure that Mad Vlad is shaking in his boots....
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
I see that the International Criminal Court has cited Putin as a War Criminal and called for his arrest!
I'm sure that Mad Vlad is shaking in his boots....
Probably not. Then again, neither was Gadafi, and it all ended well for him, didn't it.
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:34 pm
by Fox3WheresMyBanana
I think Gaddafi got the point
When is a Vlad not a Vlad?
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:07 pm
by Fox3WheresMyBanana
Looks like the Ukrainian MoD is as good as ours....
Something straight out of Kafka:
-We need you to stop hiding from your mobilization, Mr. K.
-But I'm already at the front!
-That's not an excuse, if you don't come it will counted as desertion.
-But if I leave it will be counted as desertion!?
-That's not my concern, Mr. K.
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:12 pm
by Fox3WheresMyBanana
Rasputitsa in full swing.
Two things are reliable.
1. You will need a tow for the tow who got stuck trying to tow the guy who got stuck initially.
2. The tractor boys can't plough yet, so they are 'acquiring' Russian equipment again!
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:16 am
by Fox3WheresMyBanana
I see the DT now has a guide to Weapons of Ukraine.
Spoiler: if it's green, it's a tank
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:20 am
by Fox3WheresMyBanana
Before we start this year's Tow Of The Month Competition,
here's the Best Of compilation from last year!
Sometimes, you don't even have to tow them!
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war