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#1 Post by AtomKraft » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:40 pm

Folks.
In the UK 1,500 a day normally pass away.so about 620,000/ year.

Corona death toll is 150,000- a really big deal, for sure.

But someone put in a FOI request, 'How many people have died just of Covid, with no other co-morbidities and the Office of National Statistics have supplied the answer: 17,381.

About 11 days of normal death toll.

Here's a link. The first two or three minutes tells the story.



Can this be true?

UK average lifespan:82.1
Average age of Covid death: 82.5

QED: Get Covid, live on average 0.4 years longer than average.

It was clear to me right at the start (without hindsight) that this was a massive over-reaction. Seems I was right.

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#2 Post by barkingmad » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:13 pm

A K sez:-"It was clear to me right at the start (without hindsight) that this was a massive over-reaction. Seems I was right."

A K, be careful in what you say.

Being a dissenter against the perceived wisdom of the "mass formation" will bring down the howling twatterati mob to decry signs of independent and critical thinking of the official narrative from the majority of O-N contributors.

As I know to my cost, but from those of us out here in the cold, hold the line, it will be just a matter of time and courage of your convictions before the 40% undecideds in the middle of the mass will start to stir somewhat shame-faced from their Behavioural Insights Team induced hypnosis/slumbers.

Then we may see an outburst of "I always suspected that all along!" (but was too lily-livered to say so in these pages) ! ! ! ? ~X( X(

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#3 Post by om15 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:45 pm

This will be very unpalatable for some, not only are the figures indisputable, but Nigel Farage was right all along, as was Alex Belfield, Jeff Taylor and Myar Toutsi, all of whom were sneered at by the leftie intelligentsia.
Goodness knows how much money this has cost and how much damage has been done.

The State Organisations, (NHS, Inland Revenue, BBC, local authorities) will be still "working from home" and blame covid for their indolence in 10 years time.

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#4 Post by barkingmad » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:03 pm

Further to the figures, as I said in the C19 thread:-

"And no one will tell us in the UK what the child injury/fatality rate is from the “magic silver bullet” which would have allowed life to return to normal once we were all stabbed, at least once, then twice, then ‘boosted’, then repeat boosted..."

For those here still awake and sentient, here is link to an article on the vexed topic of Vak Scene effects on the innocent and largely Covid1984-immune children whose lives the Establishment are in such an indecent haste to degrade and/or to destroy:-

https://www.hartgroup.org/open-letter-t ... eath-data/

But I get the impression not many O-N members seem to care about this unsavoury aspect of the great 'silver bullet' rollout and devious practices being employed to "stab" the youngsters, even despite their parents' wishes. :-w

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#5 Post by om15 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:55 pm

Here it is explained very simply


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#6 Post by barkingmad » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:56 pm

If you look at the Pfizer documents (from about page 95 onwards)

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/ ... lan_en.pdf

Pfizer quite carefully state the risks, – so they are covered, liability free, they have declared them. (and assume all the other manufacturers are the same)

This is why we believe THEY must get us to consent apparently freely to take this stuff.

Then it is our fault, we have consented.

"Table 58. Summary of Safety Concerns

Important Identified Risks
Anaphylaxis Myocarditis and Pericarditis

Important Potential Risks

Vaccine-associated enhanced disease (VAED) including Vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease

Missing Information

Use in pregnancy and while breast feeding

Use in immunocompromised patients

Use in frail patients with co-morbidities (e.g., chronic obstructive pulmonary disease [COPD], diabetes, chronic neurological disease, cardiovascular disorders)

Use in patients with autoimmune or inflammatory disorders Interaction with other vaccines

Long term safety data."

But ignore all that and queue up to bare your upper arms for the booster/Shot 3 and once every 4 months afterwards. Good luck with that! :-q

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Re: 150,000 or 17,381?

#7 Post by Bob » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:16 am

Oh dear, this is what happens when you listen to Dr John without thinking.

The very low figure for deaths with zero comorbidities is all well and good and of course is an extrapolated figure, now put your brain in gear look at the people around you.... How many do you think have zero comorbidities?
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#8 Post by Boac » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:13 am

Exactly, Bob. But do not dampen the ardour of the Piers Corbyn/anti-vax supporters here with common sense lest they thereby suffer worse mental issues than they exhibit now.

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#9 Post by AtomKraft » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:13 am

FFS Bob
These same co-morbidities are what kill off about 1500 a day, every day- without any help from Covid.

These poor blighters were going to croak anyway.

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#10 Post by AtomKraft » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:16 am

boac.
What is it with leftys?
The more left anyone is, the more they are in favour of lockdowns, masks etc.

I just don't see why there should be a connection.

Look at Sadiq- galloping lefty- Khan.

Achtung! Masks vill be vorn!

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#11 Post by Boac » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:23 am

AK - your febrile and confused mind appears to be conflating 'leftys' (sic) with lockdown, but then you say "I just don't see why there should be a connection."

Does that mean there is hope for you? However, do keep checking under the bed.

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#12 Post by AtomKraft » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:57 am

boac
Your comprehension is letting you down.

There is most definitely a connection between the degree of lefty lunacy present, and the degree of enthusiasm for Covid 'control measures'.

It's undeniable. But why is it?

Frankly, the lefties amongst us seem almost sad that the pandemic is ending...and want to keep the thing going for as long as possible.

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#13 Post by Boac » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:20 am

Frankly, the lefties amongst us
Do you happen to have, in your over-stimulated mind, and idea who these are? Is a 'lefty' simply someone who disagrees with you?

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#14 Post by barkingmad » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:35 am

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Boac wrote:
Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:20 am
Frankly, the lefties amongst us
Do you happen to have, in your over-stimulated mind, and idea who these are? Is a 'lefty' simply someone who disagrees with you?
It is understandable that anyone who bangs on ad nauseam about Toridiots might be the victim of a “misident”! :)) :))

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#15 Post by AtomKraft » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:41 am

Well bo, I often disagree with them- that's true.

You can look it up for yourself, but generally those who favour more state support,more state intervention, right for gays, more state control, State nationalism of industry, more taxation, more social security and general interference are the left leaning ones.

Those who favour less state support, less state intervention, family rights, privatisation, lower taxes, less welfare spending and less interference, lean the correct- I mean the right way.

But you knew that.

So when it comes to Covid- the leftier the country, the stricter the measures. Just look at Scotland & England.

Anyways- This 150,000 or 17,381 is undeniably of gigantic significance- which is why the lefty BBC aren't reporting it.

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#16 Post by Boac » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:49 am

AK - good - that puts me firmly on the right by your definition. :-bd I assume there are others that you cannot name?

BM - as the purveyor of several mis-idents in my military time I accept your esteemed advice, coming from the founder member of the O-N 'banging-on about anything' club.

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#17 Post by Bob » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:52 am

AtomKraft wrote:
Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:13 am
FFS Bob
These same co-morbidities are what kill off about 1500 a day, every day- without any help from Covid.

These poor blighters were going to croak anyway.

I see, so the excess deaths during all this must be some sort of mirage or fantasy?
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#18 Post by Bob » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:56 am

In all seriousness, I know its simple confirmation bias on your part AK, and assuredly the closeness of Dr John's assessments to the governments agenda is coincidental (he's not a ****) but you really need to watch him carefully, his manipulation of the narrative can be quite subtle and it works brilliantly on the feeble minded
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#19 Post by AtomKraft » Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:11 pm

Look Bob
I'm not denying Covid was a real thing. It is (was?).

But it was less of a threat, and did less damage than was feared. Many, or maybe most, of those claimed by Covid would have croaked by now anyway.

We over-reacted.

In the UK we have borrowed, and spent 400 BILLION and no doubt killed off many ill people by disrupting their treatment- for something that killed 17,381 healthy people, and about 133,000 old ill people who were likely going to die anyway. Remember roughly 1.3m folk would normally have died of something or other in the same period had Covid not shown up.

It's been a colossal clusterfcuk of a reaction from the start, and in the years ahead, it's going to be seen as exactly that.

Right at the beginning, I called it as an over-reaction, and now it is undeniably turned out to be exactly that.- as per the OP (in the Coronabollocks thread) you called me out on a while back.

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#20 Post by AtomKraft » Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:56 pm

Btw, Bob.
Let's see the five year average mortality for the period including 2020/ 2021 in a few years time.

I suspect the slight increase in 2020/ 21 will be followed by a couple of years of reduced mortality, so over five years, little or no change.
I believe that right now mortality is c.8% below the expected value.

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Glad to hear it old boy!

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