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boac/ Admin 2.
I don't care what Plum posted. You shouldn't delete it or ban him.
You left wing types are always in favour of control and censorship.

Please don't bring it here.

Seenenough wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:02 pm

Dushan-If you go by the recent posts it seems that the history of invasion and war only started after 1945.

European and British Imperialism apparently never ever happened.

The only land that I can recall that America claimed in Europe were the cemeteries where the fallen US Soldiers are buried.

Yeah, there are some people here whose ideas about USA are toxic. Wish I could see what Plum had to say. Censorship in any form, whatever reason is not good. Free speech has to be free of any restrictions. Sigh…

If someone saw it PM me, please.

AK wrote: boac/ Admin 2.
I don't care what Plum posted. You shouldn't delete it or ban him.
You left wing types are always in favour of control and censorship.

Please don't bring it here.

Since that was addressed to me for some reason, I would suggest you read your contract. Your concept of 'left wing' is bizarre, to say the least!

I agree with AK.
Banning/censoring = left wing. Maybe not in the past but certainly lately, and I am not speaking about this site only. It is world wide.

Left bans instantly and without warning. Here is a bit like water polo or my GCA service. A yellow card and some time off.

I was sent away because of my behaviour towards a chief master sergeant from the GCA office. I took a nap and returned 20 minutes later.

You left wing types are always in favour of control and censorship

Only against the right, lefties can say and do as they please without rebuke, just look at TOP, and on here come to that.

om15 wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:43 am

You left wing types are always in favour of control and censorship

Only against the right, lefties can say and do as they please without rebuke, just look at TOP, and on here come to that.

Ah, yes "here" was created because of all the censorship on TOP. And now we have come full circle. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

Dushan wrote:Wish I could see what Plum had to say.

I would recommend making better use of your time - he was just complaining about not being allowed to swear here on a public forum. Absolutely nothing to do with Ukraine. He is expected back Monday.

Oh, well, I guess we will all be so much better off not seeing offensive words.

Comments from the Ukraine thread are here to avoid polluting it.

I remember reading somewhere a long time ago the saying that..."Swearing is the Crutch of the emotional Cripple."

And whilst I have been known to let fly with some invective on occasion I have always tried to avoid doing so, admittedly sometimes unsuccessfully, as I simply cannot see the need/requirement/necessity to indulge in foul language.

My dear late Maternal Grandfather (a devout Lutheran) always maintained that gratutious swearing indicated a lack of both intelligence and self dicipline.

Pinky the pilot wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:29 am

I remember reading somewhere a long time ago the saying that..."Swearing is the Crutch of the emotional Cripple."

And whilst I have been known to let fly with some invective on occasion I have always tried to avoid doing so, as I simply cannot see the need/requirement/necessity to indulge in foul language.

My dear late Maternal Grandfather (a devout Lutheran) always maintained that gratutious swearing indicated a lack of both intelligence and self dicipline.

Not necessarily so, as even some autodidacts and geniuses have been known to be extremely foul mouthed on occasion (with or without Tourette's Syndrome)... vide Sydney Camm, who was known for his rather fruity vocalizing when some person irritated him, which was quite often apparently.

I was most amused to hear the Italian rugby captain let slip last night in the throes of high emotion...

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... s-23443181

Good Lutheran grandfathers are, on the whole, quite correct though, as I note that your grandfather qualified his comment with "gratuitous"!

admin2 wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:49 am

This topic is in the wrong place, but best finished here in the hope we can return to the original topic.

Dushan wrote:I know of several people who were members, and long time contributors, who left because they were tied of being admonished for their "right wing" views which were diametrically opposed to the site owner's.

The irony is that the reason this site was formed is because Rob the Mod at TOP was banning/deleting users and posts willy nilly and we all had enough of that nonsense. So we came here with a promise that none of it will happen here. It's a free for all. Well, here we are TOP 2.0

Not wishing to burst your little bubble of imagination, Dushan, but I should point out that since Alison ditched you as her first forum 'Mod' there have been 9 permanent 'bannings' of members, and for good reasons. Please Note you are still here!

Regarding "views which were diametrically opposed to the site owner's.", two points.

There WILL BE no such thing as a site 'owner', although of course the whole domain and hosting still currently belong to Alison and she has absolute control. Ultimately the site will 'belong' to its members and the aim is to run it as a 'democracy' which is why, at present, there is a group of your peers sitting in 'judgement'. At the moment (while things get settled down) only I have admin powers. It may be necessary (probably so) to grant mod powers to others in the future if the site grows as we would wish. Despite the current 'wrinkle' I can just about cope with the help of the others.

Secondly, it is not our intention to restrict so-called 'free speech' as long as the basic rules are observed.

'So, as they say, let's get on with it and stop whinging. Despite Plum's 'difficulty' in working out what is acceptable language and what isn't (a very simple task I'm sure my grandchildren could manage), the rules are SIMPLE and not markedly different to other sites.

I felt compelled to reply but did not want to foul up the other thread, so here I am. And I purposely waited a few days before replying so as not to do it in anger.

Banning a few trolls is not a problem. It happens all the time. That's not what I am talking about. I thought I was clear when I said that people left, and were not banned. They left because their posts were either deleted or they were admonished for their thoughts (not language, not personal attacks, not conspiring to commit crimes - just thinking differently than Alison). I still, to this day, do not know why I was was locked out from moderating. I certainly never injected my personal views into my moderating duties. I mostly dealt with making sure particular threads were in the correct sections, merging similar threads, and such; mainly technical stuff. And it was done in a most cowardly way without warning. But subsequently I discovered that Alison is a very moody, confused individual who probably did it on a spur of the moment and didn't have the courage to admit it and do something about it.

As for me still being here? Why not? I haven't committed any forums "crimes" have I? The difference between those who left and me is that I don't care that I am called names, even by those in position of authority, or that I am being ridiculed for my views. Like I said many times "when people resort to name calling and foul language it tells a lot more about them than about those being attacked by them".

The written rules may be simple, it is those unwritten rules that are complicated. Here is an excerpt from an email one of the long (voluntarily) departed members wrote to me:

"Ops-normal, well, Alison was cool with some jerk-off who was peddling lies about the Holocaust, making up stuff about someone having been a victim of socialism. It was a compelling tale of an industrialist having had his business empire taken away by "socialists," National Socialists, meaning Nazis ... except that the fellow had been a child in the late Thirties, when that was supposed to have happened. I pointed out that this story was a pack of lies, when Alison simply liked it as a pretty good story that showed the true evils of socialism per se. For me, that was my cue to just piss off. I don't much care about making stuff up about Hillary running a child sex ring out of the basement of a D.C. pizzeria, one that does not even have a basement, but playing fast and loose with the Holocaust is going too low."

Dushan

Banning (temporary and permanent) - Alison started with the admirable intention of never banning anyone, but it did not and just does not work. If a member cannot abide by site rules or becomes a complete pain to any admins, it may be necessary as last resort. You appear to be under the impression that all have 'left' voluntarily. Not so. Some became 'pains'.

Your situation - I am aware that there were issues between you and Alison. The details are not relevant here. That was why I stressed that 'You are still here' - despite those issues.

Unwritten rules - aiming not to have any. The problem is always in the interpretation of the written ones.

Can we move on?

Pinky the pilot wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:29 am

My dear late Maternal Grandfather (a devout Lutheran) always maintained that gratutious swearing indicated a lack of both intelligence and self dicipline.

There is little time between the impact of the hammer and the ensuing pain for either intelligence and self discipline.

My disciplined response is invariably SHUGAR. That is how I thought it was spelt at kindergarten and of course it begins with a pleasing SH....

I don't think that it is either respectful or courteous to label those making perfectly reasonable and polite posts about the forum as "whingers".
Definition: - If you call someone a whinger, you are critical of them because they complain about unimportant things all the time.

To consider the views of members to be unimportant does not indicate good forum management.

Dushan wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:35 pm

But subsequently I discovered that Alison is a very moody, confused individual who probably did it on a spur of the moment and didn't have the courage to admit it and do something about it.

Negative. I have never been moody or confused thank you. What was patently obvious at the time was your association with the likes of Airborne Aircrew, 500N, etc. The group who later nearly had the site closed down after recommending that mosques should be firebombed with napalm or similar. Advocating violence is not an acceptable view for mods.

Alison

I think on that note it is a good time to close Whingers' Corner.