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#161 Post by prospector » Tue May 31, 2022 8:45 pm

"They were not criminals when they went to Oz, many were only children or infants. They learned their criminal ways in Oz." From whence and whom did they learn these criminal ways?? And why is it that in New Zealand who by far are the inhabitants of our jails. Is there not a repeating pattern here somewhere??

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national ... 34faf4f8c0

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#162 Post by boing » Tue May 31, 2022 9:53 pm

What do you know? Hobbiton with street gangs.

Sorry but I could not resist it. :))

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#163 Post by John Hill » Wed Jun 01, 2022 2:08 am

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Tue May 31, 2022 8:45 pm

And why is it that in New Zealand who by far are the inhabitants of our jails.
I call BS on this statement (whatever it means).
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#164 Post by prospector » Wed Jun 01, 2022 2:25 am

Call it what you like, but the facts speak for themselves, but do not let that get in the way of what you call BS



.https://www.corrections.govt.nz/resourc ... -ethnicity

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#165 Post by John Hill » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:53 am

Yes BS, perhaps you do not understand what you are posting. Your link refers to re-imprisonment rates by ethnicity whereas you claimed "by far are the inhabitants of our jails".
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#166 Post by EA01 » Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:24 am

Certainly Sir I am prejudiced....I make no apology.

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#167 Post by John Hill » Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:12 am

Well then I am sure the Liberal Party are grateful for your support but perhaps you can explain why their leader, Petter Dutton...

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#168 Post by Hydromet » Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:51 am

John Hill wrote:
Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:12 am
Well then I am sure the Liberal Party are grateful for your support but perhaps you can explain why their leader, Petter Dutton...

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...has such a strong resemblance to Lord Voldemort?
Tanya Plibersek, the MP who likened him to Lord Voldemort, has been forced to apologise...to Voldemort.

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#169 Post by bob2s » Wed Jun 01, 2022 10:26 pm

^^^ John did your mother not tell you, Not to judge a book by its cover. Nor a person by their looks or colour.

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#170 Post by John Hill » Thu Jun 02, 2022 12:11 am

Ha ha, I am not among those judging prison occupants by their colour!
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#171 Post by prospector » Thu Jun 02, 2022 12:46 am

What a stupid statement, who does?? only factual numbers were quoted, if you do not like that then think of some way to change the facts.

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#172 Post by Dushan » Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:00 am

John Hill wrote:
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Ha ha, I am not among those judging prison occupants by their colour!
Prison occupants are judged by the crimes they committed. Only lefties see color in that.
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#173 Post by llondel » Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:28 am

Dushan wrote:
Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:00 am
John Hill wrote:
Thu Jun 02, 2022 12:11 am
Ha ha, I am not among those judging prison occupants by their colour!
Prison occupants are judged by the crimes they committed. Only lefties see color in that.
The filtering process takes place earlier than that though.

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#174 Post by John Hill » Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:42 am

prospector wrote:
Thu Jun 02, 2022 12:46 am
What a stupid statement, who does??
You do, ref your post referring to ethnicity.
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#175 Post by prospector » Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:03 am

From post 143, ""
"" Any insight to 501s and 800 patches referenced? :-? That was the insight, fairly graphic, but only the facts were presented. The fact that the vast majority of these "501's are of one ethnicity is surely relevant??

And is this far enough away from the thread title to be called a major thread drift?

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#176 Post by OFSO » Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:45 am

Another mass shooting in a hospital yesterday in Tulsa. Five dead.

Yawn indeed.

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#177 Post by boing » Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:51 pm

No real information on the shooter yet except one news outlet described him as a 40 year old male. Because this event took place in a very localised area and because of the age of the shooter my guess is it is related to employment or family problems. We shall see.

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#178 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:25 pm

Tulsa gunman bought AR-15-style rifle hours before using it to kill his former doctor, 3 others
Tulsa Police Chief Wendell Franklin said the shooter “blamed” his doctor for his pain. The doctor, Preston Phillips, was killed in the attack.

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A gunman who killed four people at a Tulsa hospital on Wednesday targeted a doctor who had treated him and bought the AR-15-style rifle used in the shooting on the day of the attack, police said.

Officials said the gunman was armed with a rifle and handgun when he went to St. Francis Hospital shortly before 5 p.m.

He opened fire inside the Natalie Building wounding several people. Four others, three employees and one patient, were killed.

Tulsa Police Chief Wendell Franklin said at a news conference Thursday that the shooter underwent back surgery on May 19 by Dr. Preston Phillips, who was identified as one of the victims.

The shooter was released from surgery on May 24 and repeatedly complained of being in pain in the days afterward. On May 31, the shooter received additional treatment at the hospital but still complained of pain, Franklin said.

The chief said the shooter "blamed" Phillips for his pain.

Hours before the killings, the shooter purchased an AR-15 style rifle from a gun store. Days before that he had bought a semi-automatic pistol from a pawn shop, according to Franklin.

The chief said the shooter had a letter with him "which made it clear that he came in with the intent to kill Dr. Phillips and anyone who got in his way."

"He blamed Dr. Phillips for the ongoing pain following the surgery," he said.

On Wednesday, Tulsa Deputy Chief Eric Dalgleish said that part of the shooting appears to have occurred inside an orthopedic facility on the building’s second floor, where the victims and gunman were found. nside an orthopedic facility on the building’s second floor, where the victims and gunman were found.

The shooter died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound as officers were kicking in a stairwell door to gain access to the building.

The shooting follows killings in Buffalo, New York; Uvalde, Texas; and New Orleans. A span of violence also hit several U.S cities over Memorial Day weekend leaving at least 156 people dead and 412 injure

If the ones committing "Murder-Suicide" would simply reverse the order things would be a lot better.


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#179 Post by Boac » Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:41 pm

it is related to employment or family problems.
It is fortunate, is it not, that in the land of the free, one can use a gun to sort out one's problems.

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#180 Post by boing » Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:19 pm

This is really a response to OFSO's post 3063 in "Chaos in USA" but this seems a more appropriate location.

OFSO was bewailing the number of shooting events in the US. So I make this reply. -------

Removing the gun as the convenient tool does not remove the evil intent of the actor.

Ban cars because they cause traffic deaths, ban drugs because they have side effects, ban screwdrivers because they can be used in stabbings. They all make as much sense.

How about banning all military weapons world wide to reduce hundreds of thousands of deaths? On a macro scale you can't do that because nations do not trust each other, on a micro scale the same applies to individuals. When society improves we can, with great relief, melt all the weapons. Until that day people will always seek the most effective weapons they can find to protect themselves, it's a human trait. Gun or sharpened stick it's the mind that drives.

We have an egotistical "modern" perspective. Humanoids have fought for survival on Earth for 6,000,000 years, we "advanced" type humanoids have been struggling on Earth for 300,000 years.During that time life has been a fight for survival and yet brain-dead people imagine that we have divested ourselves of this deep nature in the last 1,000 years, or in the view of the woke the last 5 years, fat chance.

Despite laws some segment of the evil physically strong will always try to dominate the weak even by simple bodily strength, the evil with insufficient bodily strength will use weapons or form gangs to compensate and the insane will always be the most likely group to act on their delusions. If you choose to disagree with my idea I will introduce you to Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Xi, Vladimir Putin, ad infinitum, or if you feel historical we can go back to the Vikings and the Mongols.

The answer is to legally prevent "forte main" but how do you do this in an ordered society? There are always those that desire to find an easy way to wealth and power, I suppose you could say they either become criminals or politicians.

As this applies to firearms.

1. Immediately raise the purchase age for guns to 21. Possession of handguns under 21 is illegal unless it is a limited possession specifically for training purposes.
2. Ban possession of a weapon that is inappropriate under the circumstances with no justifiable purpose. Example, a rifle in a regular urban environment unless being transported for sale or repair. Basically you cannot possess a firearm where you cannot reasonably expect to use it so a handgun may be OK downtown but a rifle would not be.
2. Create severe, non-reducible, penalties for anyone possessing a firearm illegally under various circumstances in a public place. This could produce an extensive list but would include.
a. A person who could not pass the requirement for legal possession.
b. A person under court order not to possess a firearm.
c. Carriage of a concealed weapon on the person unless properly authorised.
d. Possession of a firearm known to have been used in a crime.
3. Affirmation and clarification of the "Castle Doctrine" to make it universally applicable under appropriate and specified circumstances.
4. Improvements to the firearms purchase Form 4473 to remove loopholes. For example inter-State exchange of information.
5. A period of five days for the 4473 to be actioned by the checking authority. Presently if a response is not received within this time is can be considered tactic approval by the authority to the seller.
6. Mandatory action by the police if a 4473 is rejected because of a deliberate lie on the form. Although the form suggests action will be taken in case of falsification this does not presently happen.


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