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#1 Post by barkingmad » Thu Aug 10, 2023 3:07 pm

Having looked in vain for a similar thread topic and found none, I propose to start a thread dealing specifically with the Net Zero cause.

Climate Crisis is not exact enough for this Project Fear Mk3, the Electric Cars' thread is equally too targeted on those vehicles and associated infrastructure problems, so here goes with something with which to blow the kickoff whistle;

:---"The Public Still Isn’t Being Told the Full, Horrifying Truth About the Net Zero Revolution
BY WILL JONES 10 AUGUST 2023 3:30 PM [Admin2- attribution 'The Daily Sceptic']

Little known to the voting public, Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems have all signed up to legally binding five-year plans, known as ‘carbon budgets’, which stipulate a “detailed programme to re-engineer society to cut emissions by a specific amount”, writes Allister Heath in the Telegraph. And any deviation could be open to legal challenge, meaning Governments have almost zero leeway to delay or cancel extreme measures like bans on boilers and petrol cars, no matter how unpopular or impoverishing.

Did you know, dear reader, that we are now on our fourth such carbon budget, valid from 2023 to 2027? Did you realise that the next two – up until 2037 – have already been enshrined in law, making a mockery of the next two or even three general elections? Were you aware that all of the consumer-facing changes – in 18 months, no newly built home will be fitted with a gas boiler, in seven years’ time, it will be illegal to buy new petrol cars, in 12 years, you will no longer be allowed to replace your existing boiler like-for-like – have been accounted for in the plans, gravely limiting room for political manoeuvre? Did you realise that any significant deviation from these carbon budgets could trigger legal action from pressure groups?

As Energy Secretary, Ed Miliband pushed through the Climate Change Act in 2008, committing to cut emissions by 80% on 1990 levels by 2050, with the support of all but five MPs. It was the equivalent of another Maastricht Treaty, a huge shift that will, in time, trigger a furious reaction from the electorate when it realises that it is no longer in control. It was apposite that, in 2019, Theresa May, fresh from sabotaging Brexit, amended the Climate Change Act by statutory instrument, increasing the target to a 100% cut in emissions by 2050.

That distant date has lulled many into a false sense of flexibility. Why can’t we delay the ban on combustion engines to 2035 or even later, naïve souls ask, and still meet Net Zero on time? The reality is that it could well be unlawful because cuts to emissions must be phased in according to a strict timetable.

The Government is obliged to set binding, five-year carbon budgets that cap the maximum amount of emissions allowed during each period; each budget is much tougher than the previous one. Meeting them is no joke: they need to be legislated 12 years in advance and be accompanied by credible policies to deliver them in full. Miliband’s Act created the Climate Change Committee (CCC), a ridiculously influential quango which advises the Government on the level of each budget and how much of a contribution each sector should make.

Through a combination of a recession, continued deindustrialisation, insufficient house and infrastructure building and the shift towards renewable energy, the UK met its first (2008- 2012), second (2013-2017) and third (2018-2022) carbon budgets without needing to try too hard. We are now into our fourth budget, requiring a 52% fall in emissions compared with 1990; this, too, could be manageable, partly because of stronger than expected sales of electric cars. But the pain is starting, and the backlash – from landlords, from motorists – is beginning.

Real, Brexit-intensity political warfare will undoubtedly break out ahead of the fifth budget (2028-2032) and especially sixth (2033-37), which will include aviation and shipping, coincide with the ban on new petrol cars and all new gas boilers, a massive, hugely costly insulation drive and require a cumulative 77% cut in emissions.

The Government has very little leeway if it wishes to continue to accept the strictures of the Climate Change Act."---:

Worth reading in full, but it's behind the UK Daily Torygraph Newspaper paywall, so no apologies for the reproduction here.

Maybe we'll have some time to lay in the popcorn and the Corona beers to watch this (expensive for all of us!) farce play out.

Unless our overstretched legislature can grow a pair and repeal whichever Acts are now in concrete it seems like we're doomed...to failure? :-?

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#2 Post by barkingmad » Mon Aug 14, 2023 8:39 pm

Dear Rishi, it's not going very well, is it? Must try harder, otherwise you're heading for exam retakes.

:---"Britain isn't being told the truth about net-zero
Editorial, The Sunday Telegraph Read Article
Continuing the recent trend of right-wing newspapers attacking net-zero, an editorial in the Sunday Telegraph argues that “it is hard to see” how net-zero targets “could be achieved without governments imposing serious costs on households and businesses”. It continues: “Politicians are not being honest with the voters. Their room for manoeuvre on targets such as the upcoming ban on new diesel and petrol cars or the rollout of heat pumps is limited by legislation that demands significant reductions to carbon emissions by pre-set dates. They do not explain to the public that, if they were to delay the petrol car ban, for example, they would probably have to make compensating reductions in other areas that would have their own consequences.” The newspaper concedes that “there is strong public support for the theoretical goal of decarbonisation”, but says “that is not necessarily true for the individual measures that are being introduced in order to achieve it”. It concludes: “Do pro-net-zero politicians really think that the public backs being forced to give up their cars, or would accept significant reductions in their living standards, or would be happy with limits on their ability to travel internationally? Of course not. But that is what is coming unless Britain changes course.”

Elsewhere, climate-sceptic columnist Dominic Lawson writes in the Daily Mail that the UK government is “right to cut off [engagement with] Greenpeace” after its recent protest at Sunak’s home."---:

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#3 Post by barkingmad » Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:37 am

Ooops! Quick, trip the CB on this one before any more damage is done to the cause!

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/08/15/las ... emergency/

Seems as if “The Science” employed to frighten the crap out of us during the ‘plague’ is still being wheeled out to keep this Project Fear Mk2 blazing away happily.

But luckily some educated independent thinking folk are making their views and their evidence known, but dig in for the long-haul. X(

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#4 Post by OFSO » Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:19 am

If there was no need for world-wide panic and alarm, I wouldn't come here to read this thread....

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#5 Post by barkingmad » Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:51 pm

I A W the OP, here is some more pie in the sky about recycling which may never reach V1 on the runway;

“Net Zero Bottle Scheme Will Hit Retailers With £1.8 Billion a Year.

The British Retail Consortium warns that the Government’s new bottle recycling scheme could cost retailers £1.8 billion annually, with consumers likely to bear the brunt of the costs. The Daily Torygraph has the story.

The Government’s flagship bottle recycling scheme will cost companies ten times the amount that officials previously claimed, industry analysis suggests.

According to calculations by the British Retail Consortium (BRC), the planned deposit system for the purchase of drinks bottles and cans will cost retailers at least £1.8 billion a year.

Much of the cost is likely to be passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices, prompting calls for the scheme to be delayed or even scrapped.

The BRC said its analysis highlighted the need for a delay to “rethink” current plans in order to “prevent the introduction of an unnecessarily complex and costly scheme”.

It comes after a separate scheme to charge retailers and manufacturers for the cost of councils recycling their packaging was delayed by ministers, following concerns raised by retailers and MPs over the likely impact on the cost of household goods.

In the Government’s official impact assessment for the Deposit Return Scheme (DRS) – seen by the Telegraph – the annual cost was estimated to be £171 million a year back in 2019.

However, analysis from the BRC, which represents major supermarkets, suggests that the annual cost to the retail industry will be at least £1.8 billion a year from 2025, a figure ten times that amount.

The scheme includes special ‘reverse vending machines’ to be installed in shops for consumers to return plastic bottles and drinks cans and receive their cash back, with costs to the industry including ensuring the machines are protected from the elements or criminals as well as those associated with storage and logistics of returned bottles.

The BRC believes that the costs to the industry will rise even further, as their calculations do not include the cost from the industry to set up an industry body to run the scheme, the cost of which they say would run into the hundreds of millions.

Craig Mackinlay, who chairs the Net Zero scrutiny group of Conservative MPs, said: “The Deposit Return Scheme, although laudable in its intent to increase recycling and minimise plastic waste, comes with a considerable price-tag.

“The cost will simply be added to prices and so will be inflationary. As ever it will hit the poorest hardest. The current delay is welcome, a permanent scrapping of the whole idea would be even more so.”

The scheme, along with the delayed Extended Producer Responsibility (EPR) scheme, was devised by the then-Environment Secretary Michael Gove to help the U.K. to reduce waste and was billed as helping Britain meet its Net Zero target.

The BRC said that “margins remain slim” on produce and have “significantly tightened in the last year”, which meant that “while retailers may be able to absorb some of the costs of implementing these new policies, it is inevitable that introducing EPR and DRS together would place upward pressure on consumer prices”.

As a grumpy grey-bearded old fart I still recall when us kids would collect and return lemonade bottles and other recyclables for a small financial reward, a system which worked very well in those far-off days.

So where did we, or our successors, go wrong in the intervening decades when such recycling is all too difficult for the hordes of MBAs, who must be toying with the idea as the path to their first million groats and fame and glory and possibly even a gong from some outgoing half-wit Prime Minister? ~X(

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#6 Post by barkingmad » Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:11 am

One wonders whether Rushid Sunuk had this article in mind;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rowth.html

when, in the face of much criticism he decided to gently apply the brakes to the Net Zero fantasy which floats the boats of sooh many politicos who are incapable of independent thought and a dash of critical thinking;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -cars.html

Cue much howling and gnashing of teeth from Sir Steer Calmer, gaining column inches and airtime as he cosied up to the the Micron in France but seemingly has avoided discussing with German politicians the effects of such looney policies in their country;

https://www.reuters.com/business/enviro ... 023-08-22/

What planet am I on now? ~X(

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#7 Post by OFSO » Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:15 pm

Remember Germany is the country that closed nuclear power stations because of the risk of tsunamis, and instead to generate electricity burns cheap brown coal, sourced both locally and in Poland. It was politically dangerous to abandon the new regulations banning from January 2024 oil and gas central heating in favour of heat pumps, so the cowardly government devolved that rule to local communities to finance and decide.

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#8 Post by barkingmad » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:00 pm

Some discussion observed today, on the not-so-quite MSM, re the probability that Bliars henchmen have penetrated the Labour party apparatchiks who will be engineering the Labour campaign for the next UK General Election.

So with Steer Calmer vowing to reverse the promise by Rushid Sunuk to ease off the Net-Zero religious crusade, what can the Bliar be up to when he advocates the following;

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/07/29/is- ... o-sceptic/

Scroll down to the appended comments and enjoy the high esteem in which our former leader is held.

I particularly like the disarming of the 'grunts' surrounding him in that Iraq photo, great precaution Colonel ! ! !

Maybe it's just designed to confuse idiotic "contemptibles" like me who know very little about UK politics, having observed it over more than half a century, but can anyone please enlighten me as to what is going on at Labour HQ?**

** This is the centre of the (New?) Labour Universe and I can't help wondering if it has already been bugged by the builders, it being touted as a 'smart' building, before the faithful savour the smell of drying plaster and porous emulsion;

https://labourlist.org/2023/08/labour-p ... -building/

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