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Re: A grave mistake

#461 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:18 pm



Well, Clueless Joe strikes again.



Headlines in Israel now
Biden's 'Don't' Message Is Now Directed at Israel
Joe has done the same as Obama, and the reaction of the Arab Street will be the same; he's a woos.

My best guess is that Biden's handlers have their top priority as the US bases in Syria and Iraq.

The call may of course be for show. Israel attacks tomorrow night 'without permission' and the Iranians will lay off the US bases.
It's all about the oil, as ever.

A day or two's delay will make naff all difference in the Great Scheme of Things.

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Re: A grave mistake

#462 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:54 pm


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Re: A grave mistake

#463 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:18 pm

'Opportunity for Alliance' or 'Go Berserk': Israel's Leaders Respond to Iran's Attack

As the dust settled in the wake of the Iranian attack on Israel, Israel's politicians made their voices known about how Israel should respond. Gantz and Gallant agreed that this was an opportunity for an alliance against Iran, while Israel's far-right leaders called for a major reprisal in the heart of Tehran
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... f794e40000

Israel appears to be presenting a split between extremes - stop the attacks here with international opinion on their side, or go for a relatively justified bit hit against Iran and lose that support.
It wouldn't be the first time that there is unity behind the scenes, and internal dissention is presented as a bargaining chip.

The big question is, can the "Opportunity for Alliance" actually produce anything?

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Re: A grave mistake

#464 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sun Apr 14, 2024 9:21 pm

Do the drones count towards "Acedom"? :-?

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Re: A grave mistake

#465 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sun Apr 14, 2024 10:32 pm

No idea.
I think the guys who shot down Doodlebugs used to record them separately from aircraft.

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Re: A grave mistake

#466 Post by PHXPhlyer » Mon Apr 15, 2024 1:12 am

Didn't let the popcorn go to waste but... (-|

War cabinet says it's ready to respond to Iran's attack but delays immediate action. Here's the latest:


https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... index.html

The hours-long Israeli war cabinet meeting ended Sunday night without a decision on how Israel will respond to Iran’s missile and drone attack, an Israeli official said.

The cabinet is determined to respond — but has yet to decide on the timing and scope and the official said the military has been tasked with coming up with additional options for a response.

Separately, a senior Biden administration official told reporters that an Israeli official told the United States that it's not looking to significantly escalate the showdown with Iran.

CNN analyst Barak Ravid said Israeli ministers Benny Gantz and Gadi Eisenkot advocated for swift action, but US President Joe Biden's phone call with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu led to a decision to delay the response until the next day.

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Re: A grave mistake

#467 Post by Pinky the pilot » Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:37 am


I think the guys who shot down Doodlebugs used to record them separately from aircraft.
They did.
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Re: A grave mistake

#468 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:06 pm

Israeli War Cabinet meeting again.
Israel ‘not in the business of revenge’

A spokeswoman for the Israeli embassy in London has said Israel is “not in the business of revenge” but needs to ensure Iran is “deterred” from launching further attacks.

Asked if Israel will heed warnings from its allies calling for restraint, Orly Goldschmidt told Sky News: “We are listening very carefully to our allies, we’re taking what they’re saying into consideration but, at the end of the day, we will have to defend ourselves against this Iranian threat.”

Ms Goldschmidt said she would not comment on what Israel’s response may look like or when it might take place.

“Not revenge, because we’re not in the business of revenge but we want to make sure that they are deterred,” she said.

“What happened on Saturday cannot happen on a daily basis, on a weekly basis. We have to understand that it’s not a new normal that can happen in the Middle East, we have to make sure that the Iranians understand and they are deterred.”
Via The Telegraph

So basically what I said yesterday (viewtopic.php?p=389242#p389242). Israel has to hit them to stop them doing it again, because Israel can't afford to keep up defences like Saturday night's.

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Re: A grave mistake

#469 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:01 pm

Flightradar latest:
Only Arab airlines flying over Jordan, Iraq, or Iran.
Only flights to Damascus or Beirut, and only by Arab airlines, flying over Syria and/or Lebanon.
Only Israeli airlines flying into or over Israel.

General drift of comments from and about Israel seems to suggest there will be an Israeli attack either tonight or tomorrow night.

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Re: A grave mistake

#470 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:21 pm

Five minutes ago
IDF Chief of Staff Herzl Halevi said that missile fire from Iran would be met with a response.

Speaking at the Nevatim military base, which was hit by five missiles during the Iranian attack, he said,
"When we look ahead, we consider our steps. The launch of so many cruise missiles and drones into Israeli territory will be met with a response."
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/202 ... a37abc0000

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Re: A grave mistake

#471 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:44 pm

Times of Israel Report: War cabinet decides to hit Iran back hard, hopes it won’t spark regional war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-april-15-2024/

Israeli Channel 12 reporting that "the IAF has completed its preparations for an imminent response"

Sources unknown.

n.b. Royal Jordanian is still flying across Israel to reach Amman, at the shortest possible point just north of Netanya - less than 10 miles.

I'm off out for a few hours, in case you wonder why it's all gone quiet.

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Re: A grave mistake

#472 Post by Dushan » Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:55 pm

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:44 pm

I'm off out for a few hours, in case you wonder why it's all gone quiet.
Are you off to spend Justin's Carbon Tax Swindle Rebate?
Because they stand on the wall and say "nothing's gonna hurt you tonight, not on my watch".

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Re: A grave mistake

#473 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:14 am

Tax goes up, rebate goes down.

I must phone my mate Benny Gantz and slip a new target onto their list.

Nothing I can find anywhere would indicate an Israeli attack is currently in progress...but that's rather the point of stealth fighters ;)))

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Re: A grave mistake

#474 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:21 am

Not tonight, Josephine....


..but wait!

...Nope.

I guess we'll find out in the morning.
Doubtless the Israelis will be looking for concrete offers not to attack, and I doubt the western powers will be doing much more than talking.
Perhaps tomorrow.

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Re: A grave mistake

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Re: A grave mistake

#476 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:17 pm

There appears to be an awful lot of secret intra-governmental horse-trading and blunt threats going on behind the scenes.

The United States expects that Israel’s military response to Iran’s strikes will be limited in scope, a senior administration official and a source familiar with the intelligence told CNN.
There is US intelligence to suggest Israel is weighing a narrow and limited strike inside Iran because they feel like they have to respond with a kinetic action of some kind given the unprecedented scale of the Iranian attack, the second source said.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... index.html

I would estimate the current state of it is:
Israel insists on at least some strike on Iranian soil, on a like-for-like basis.
The US is trying to de-escalate by any means possible, including deals with Israel for equipment (likely not to be announced for a while to make any connection deniable) and getting Iran to accept an Israeli strike.
Iran will, at a minimum, be insisting on no strikes on IRGC or nuke personnel/facilities. They will also publicly deny any accommodation, as above.
This would leave some Iranian missile site/facility as a likely target. Russia will want it not to be anything they are getting as exports.
That leaves older/obsolete ballistic missiles.
The Israelis will doubtless wish to hit Hezbollah and Houthi targets also. Iran can probably get along with that.

Being the Middle East, the web of deals and threats could of course break down at any point, or one side could not keep its promises, or another player could spoil the whole thing with a random act.
Something's gonna happen in the next couple of nights, but who knows what, or whether that will be 'it'.

..till next week, when it all starts again.

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Re: A grave mistake

#477 Post by PHXPhlyer » Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:33 pm

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:17 pm
There appears to be an awful lot of secret intra-governmental horse-trading and blunt threats going on behind the scenes.

The United States expects that Israel’s military response to Iran’s strikes will be limited in scope, a senior administration official and a source familiar with the intelligence told CNN.
There is US intelligence to suggest Israel is weighing a narrow and limited strike inside Iran because they feel like they have to respond with a kinetic action of some kind given the unprecedented scale of the Iranian attack, the second source said.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... index.html

I would estimate the current state of it is:
Israel insists on at least some strike on Iranian soil, on a like-for-like basis.
The US is trying to de-escalate by any means possible, including deals with Israel for equipment (likely not to be announced for a while to make any connection deniable) and getting Iran to accept an Israeli strike.
Iran will, at a minimum, be insisting on no strikes on IRGC or nuke personnel/facilities. They will also publicly deny any accommodation, as above.
This would leave some Iranian missile site/facility as a likely target. Russia will want it not to be anything they are getting as exports.
That leaves older/obsolete ballistic missiles.
The Israelis will doubtless wish to hit Hezbollah and Houthi targets also. Iran can probably get along with that.

Being the Middle East, the web of deals and threats could of course break down at any point, or one side could not keep its promises, or another player could spoil the whole thing with a random act.
Something's gonna happen in the next couple of nights, but who knows what, or whether that will be 'it'.

..till next week, when it all starts again.
Per the article:
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/24419

“Iran successfully embarrassed all of the integrated radar network and anti-missile systems of the US and the [Israeli] regime. The US even activated its parked satellites over the region to do maximum protection and failed miserably,” the Iranian military official added.

So 99+% success rate is a miserable failure. :))
I wish my failure rate was that bad. :ymdevil:

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Re: A grave mistake

#478 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:19 pm

The IRGC are clearly focused on home propaganda. The truth does not matter.
Iran fired missiles at Israel - that's all that matters.
It therefore follows that Israel hitting Iran is the only Israeli response that matters to the IRGC.

The solution to avoiding escalation following an Israeli strike is that Israel must hit target(s) in the middle of the Iranian nowhere, such that the IRGC can claim they missed or did negligible damage.

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Re: A grave mistake

#479 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:28 pm

Latest from Israel,
Kan news agency report on the war cabinet meeting.
Link to google translate from the Hebrew below
https://www-kan-org-il.translate.goog/c ... r_pto=wapp

Main points - My emphasis
In Israel, they decided how the response to Iran's missile attack would be carried out. This was published this evening (Tuesday) in the evening news at Kaan 11. Now Israel is waiting for an "opportunity to be exploited". The agreement came amid significant differences of opinion in the Israeli leadership over the timing and nature of the response. Some ministers demanded to wait for agreements on the issue of the international coalition, while others believed that it was necessary to react immediately.
At the same time, there is international pressure on Israel not to take significant escalation steps that could degenerate the region into a major war between Israel and Iran. A diplomatic source explained news here that Europe is ready to "go far" in terms of the sanctions on Iran.
At the same time, government ministers advised Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to attack sensitive facilities in Iran in response to the attack between Saturday and Sunday. The disputes in the Israeli leadership still continue. Most of the decision makers believe that the action should be carried out as soon as possible. According to a senior government official, with each passing day the chances of a significant retaliatory strike in Iran decrease
I would translate that as a hit on the nuclear research sites either tonight or tomorrow night.

Either the Israeli cabinet is upping the ante on Biden and the EU, or they've decided to hit Iran anyway. I would be slightly biased towards the latter.

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Re: A grave mistake

#480 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:33 pm

Very little air traffic over Iran as of the last hour - even the Arab airlines ar now staying over Iraq.
Looks like they think an attack by Israel on Iran is a possible tonight.

Three Iranian airliners inbound to Tehran, on a course which would have taken them over the nuclear research site at Natanz, have altered course to give it a wide berth.
Here's a link to the leader
https://www.flightradar24.com/QSM1241/34ccfca6

This Iranian airliner may have altered course to avoid the other nuclear enrichment facility NE of Qom, at Fordow.
https://www.flightradar24.com/IRC3975/34cd37e1

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