A grave mistake

[Boac]

"pharmacere" ??

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Typo.
Pharmacare.
Publically funded assistance for medications, somewhat similar to the US model.
It is limited in scope and in place in three Provinces, but remains an unfulfilled promise of Trudy's Federal government, and one that forms part of the agreement which props up Trudy with NDP votes in Parliament.
There is a specific interim deadline by the end of this year, to pass an Act, about which Trudy has basically done Llaregub. It's had a first reading in the Commons, isn't a priority, yet is supposed to have reached Royal Assent by the end of this year.

See Priorities, section 1, second bullet point.
https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-relea ... adians-now


The Act's progress through Parliament is the same as UK, so 7 more stages required.
https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-340

In short, Trudy's made almost zero progress to implementing the agreement with the NDP, and Jagmeet's probably picked Pharmacare to put his foot down and demand some progress.

To be fair to Trudy, I don't think he is trying to avoid the promises he made, he's just totally incapable of doing anything

The Muslims are publically protesting against the 2SLGBGTXYZ#@ agenda in schools - the last protest I saw in Ottawa had nothing but muslims protesting - so the Liberals are already between a rock and a hard place.
The conservatives don't like it either, but they are just switching to homeschool their kids.

[tango15]

Some years ago, I was invited to Montreal for an interview with Bombardier. The taxi driver who took me to the interview was from Palestine, and during the 20-minute drive to Bombardier's offices, I was treated to a monologue of everything that is wrong with Israel. On the return journey, the taxi driver was Jewish and I was treated to the other side of the argument. Isn't multiculturism wonderful?

[Dushan]

Jugmeet is going to abandon his support for Trudy one day after he (Jugmeet) fulfills his 6 years in HOC and is eligible for his $200k indexed pension.

[OneHungLow]

Mounting questions over Israel's massive intelligence failure to anticipate and prepare for a surprise Hamas assault were compounded Monday when an Egyptian intelligence official said that Jerusalem had ignored repeated warnings that the Gaza-based terror group was planning “something big”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-int ... 20apparent

[EA01]

Idiotic country.....

Like other Cities around the World that lit up their landmarks in Blue & White. Brandenberg Gate Eiffe Tower, White House. Sydney Opera house lit up in Blue & White.

Being the idiotic Country that Australia is, or at least the NSW Labor Government is, The Jewish Community were told to stay at home, because their safety could not be guaranteed. HOWEVER, a huge number of Palestinians and other Muslims were given a free police escort frm Sydney town hall to the Opera house, firing off flares & burning Israeli flags on the steps of the Opera house chanting Shame Israel, shame Australia F&*k the Jews., and not a single arrest!

Despite the country having 'Hate Speech' Laws, & 'Incitement of racial vilification laws'...the police happily sat and watched. Including the Imams shouting how pleased & elated they were of the killings and kidnappings!

A disgrace the likes of which I still cannot believe I witnessed on these shores!! If anyone here celebrated the Christchurch Mosque massacre they'd be in the back of a police van before they could finish

An ashamed Australian

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

CBC, the BBC's mini-me, is also referring to Hamas as militants, probably because that fits the beliefs of their viewer (sic).

Ayatollah Khamenei has explicitly rejected Iran having any involvement with the Hamas actions, doing so 3 times in 90 seconds. This is a considerably different approach to the usual, and somewhat of a change from their statements 3 days ago.
I expect they can see where this is going, or perhaps even the Ayatollah can't square murdering babies with the Koran.

The US has linked Iran's comments with Hizbollah's actions. I think this may be code for telling Iran to prove their sentiments by telling Hizbollah to back off. Things may go quiet up in Lebanon.

[Boac]

Oh how I wish the UN was worth all the money and effort that has gone into it. This assault on the Gaza strip needs to end.

[Dushan]

CBC, the BBC's mini-me, is also referring to Hamas as militants, probably because that fits the beliefs of their viewer (sic).

Ayatollah Khamenei has explicitly rejected Iran having any involvement with the Hamas actions, doing so 3 times in 90 seconds. This is a considerably different approach to the usual, and somewhat of a change from their statements 3 days ago.
I expect they can see where this is going, or perhaps even the Ayatollah can't square murdering babies with the Koran.

The US has linked Iran's comments with Hizbollah's actions. I think this may be code for telling Iran to prove their sentiments by telling Hizbollah to back off. Things may go quiet up in Lebanon.

CBC Leaked Email Tells Reporters Not to Use Term ‘Terrorists’ in Connection With Israel Attacks

Even Skippy is calling them terrorists. Wonder if the propaganda arm of the Lib party will get the memo, or do they run their own show, taking orders from elsewhere?

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

BBC / CBC have signed their own death warrant here, I think.
Murdering babies is not a political opinion, it's a terrorist act by anyone's definition.

[Boac]

Don't forget babies are being killed in Gaza.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

I wasn't.
And this does not change the fact that the BBC / CBC are deliberately misrepresenting Hamas.
And if the Israelis do turn out to have murdered babies as part of a general campaign to do so (for which I have seen no clear evidence at present), then they should be referred to as terrorists also.

[Boac]

to have murdered babies as part of a general campaign to do so

Can you try that one again? You lost me.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Isolated cases would tend to indicate that individuals are murderers. A campaign would show the Israeli Army, as an organisation, are terrorists.
Since the Hamas attack has widespread terrorist acts, and numerous points of attack where there were no armed forces (e.g. the music festival), then Hamas as an organisation are clearly terrorists.

We can contrast this with the recent Russian Iskander missile attack on the funeral party in Ukraine, or on the pizza restaurant, where the Russians argue they were targeting military personnel at those places.
These are therefore, under International Law, and subject to the proportionality rule*, not acts of terrorism. Unless of course the Russians are lying, but the Ukrainians have not denied the presence of military personnel in either case.


*10 Generals attending, and among 100 dead civilians, would probably be seen as proportional. One dead retired army cook among 1,000 civilian dead would not. Where the boundary lies is usually decided by the winner.

[Boac]

A campaign would show the Israeli Army, as an organisation, are terrorists.

No-one is suggesting that either party conducted such a 'campaign', but the fact remains that it is sadly happening.

The treatment of the Gaza strip has been appalling over the years and no doubt provoked this attack, and the current inevitable civilian casualties caused by the terrorist acts of Hamas and the military actions of Israel are both dreadfully wrong.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

I don't think any reasonable person would argue with any of that,
except Hamas clearly do have a terrorist campaign, for the reason I gave.
I think the point of contention is whether the widespread acts of terrorism just committed by Hamas are a justifiable response to the provocation.
I think the answer is a clear No under International Law.
I also think Lefties and many muslims think it is.

My argument was that Hamas's acts are stupid. They will only regress their cause with these acts.

Reports that rockets have been fired at Israel from Syrian territory.
No idea who, yet.
Might be Hizbollah, some Syrian jihadist lot, rogue elements in the Syrian army, or the Syrian army.

Rockets were fired about three hours earlier from Lebanon, with Israel stating this was Hizbollah.
Hizbollah have stated their "guns and rockets are with Hamas".

[Hydromet]

The behaviour of Israeli governments over decades, and the dispossession of the Palestinians at the behest of the British and other governments after WW II have made some sort of action by Hamas inevitable when neither party will negotiate. Hamas and Israel have both shown themselves unworthy to be considered part of civilisation, and should be treated as pariahs by the rest of the world. Can't see that happening, unfortunately.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

I don't think any attempt to justify either side, or indeed any of the sides (let's not forget about all those caught in the middle), in a lot of conflicts is worth the effort.
They're all wrong, they shouldn't be where they are, but they are.

Pomeranian grenadiers.

As BOAC alluded to, throwing money at the problem is a waste of money. Especially when there are others who have more reason to do more, but don't.
Egypt is currently allowing 2,000 across the Gaza border a day, all vetted, maximum.
Saudi (Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques), has taken in a grand total of zero Palestinians in 75 years.

My point was simply that Hamas's actions are stupid - this will not help their cause, whatever the rights and wrongs of it.
And I think everyone in the West who is jumping up and down celebrating Hamas's actions, or even just failing to acknowledge the truth of them, are going to regret doing so.

[EA01]

I would suggest the loss of a baby's life, say by way of a bombed building inside which terrorists hid, whist tragic, is a rather way removed from the 40 babies & young children being beheaded as their parents were burnt in their beds.

And yet there are politicians here who refuse to condemn such action.....

[Boac]

I think the point of contention is whether the widespread acts of terrorism just committed by Hamas are a justifiable response to the provocation.

Of course not 'justifiable', but to some extent understandable and predictable (yes, even to the much-hallowed Israeli intelligence services) and probably the only practical recourse Hamas had.

I think the answer is a clear No under International Law.

Thin ice, Sir!