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Re: More Boeing Bad News

#381 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:08 am

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Do you mean this one - - currently 'not available' I believe in the USA in its original broadcast form - not sure about the YouTube one - don't want to frighten the horses. Interesting that Al Jazeera (English) have so much 'against' Boeing.

Not sure about the 'veracity' of the content, but I'm very glad I am not having to operate the NG in turbulence any more.
If the aircraft had been certificated on the basis of additional strength and higher manufacturing tolerances predicated upon the use of high precision CNC machines then such certification should have been rescinded when it became clear that the machines were not being used or were being used in non-conforming or non-calibrated states. The latter issue would have been shown up immediately when items (or even one item) in batches of parts were found to be non-conforming in shape or design because the the CNC machine process should always deliver parts to specification. That this was not happening should have been a red flag to Boeing before any such part was fitted to an aircraft and the FAA should have been aware of this as well. The fact that such parts were being delivered, and fitted, after a fact finding mission to the supplier, where it became clear that the parts were effectively being manually machined (or mangled) is a scandal.

This story has an air of verisimilitude or, most likely, the truth about it and points to a huge engineering ethical and management failure at Boeing, the FAA and the rogue supplier(s).
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#382 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:46 am

Despite all of the above, Boeing shares are up, as are other US aerospace manufacturers shares, today...
Shares of Boeing (NYSE:BA) jumped 19% at the open, and traded up more than 13% in late morning, on growing optimism for a government stimulus package that would provide some relief to the troubled commercial aerospace sector. CEO David Calhoun appeared on CNBC this morning to talk up the need to support the industry, and also said Boeing remains on track to get its troubled 737 MAX airborne again by mid-year.
The situation has led Boeing to seek at least $60 billion in government aid for itself and its suppliers. Boeing said it would use any liquidity support to make payments to suppliers to maintain the health of its supply chain for the time when demand returns.

That aid was far from certain a week ago, but markets are rallying on Tuesday on improved dialog among lawmakers in Washington that has investors optimistic a bailout package including relief for hard-hit sectors will get done.

Aerospace stocks are also likely moving higher on Calhoun's optimism about the 737 Max. The plane was expected to be a best seller for Boeing and its suppliers, before it was grounded.
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#383 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:58 am

As an aside, CNC machines, when setup and used properly are truly amazing....



The CNC machine is truly a wonder to behold and is generally far more complex and beautiful than the aviation parts it produces.
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#384 Post by ian16th » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:05 pm

I was involved at Dowty-Rotol at Gloucester in the early 70's.

They were using Milwaukeematic NC machines to manufacture the undercarriage components for Harriers.

The Milwaukeematic's were fed with paper tape programs that in turn had been produced by an IBM 1130.running a package called 'Romance'.

When a program change was made, the 1st run of a new program was done on a lump of wood!
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#385 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:16 pm

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I was involved at Dowty-Rotol at Gloucester in the early 70's!

At Staverton?

I worked with Lister Petter (Hawker Siddley) in Dursley and when that went south with Caradon Mira in Cheltenham. Lots of software integration work with their CNC machines. :)
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#386 Post by Alisoncc » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:29 pm

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#387 Post by ian16th » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:38 pm

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At Staverton?
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#388 Post by ian16th » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:01 pm

Yes, Go Ahead And 'Nationalize' Boeing With A Bailout.

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#389 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:31 pm

ian16th wrote:
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Yes, Go Ahead And 'Nationalize' Boeing With A Bailout.

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Never let Airbus ever again hear Boeing complain about EU government subsidies if they get the $60 billion they are begging the US fiscus for.

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#390 Post by ricardian » Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:16 am

Boeing 787s must be turned off and on every 51 days
The US Federal Aviation Administration has ordered Boeing 787 operators to switch their aircraft off and on every 51 days to prevent what it called "several potentially catastrophic failure scenarios" – including the crashing of onboard network switches. The airworthiness directive, due to be enforced from later this month, orders airlines to power-cycle their B787s before the aircraft reaches the specified days of continuous power-on operation. The power cycling is needed to prevent stale data from populating the aircraft's systems, a problem that has occurred on different 787 systems in the past.
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#391 Post by unifoxos » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:21 am

Didn't realise it was Windows operating system on the 787.
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#392 Post by Rwy in Sight » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:38 am

I know it is not funny, but I did laugh. Obviously it is not a problem know but when the aircraft is used for short and long haul flights with little ground time it might be an issue.How long it would take to shut down - wait for the memory to clear - start again for the crew to board for the preflight?

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#393 Post by Boac » Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:50 am

I guess they didn't upgrade from W7?

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#394 Post by Rwy in Sight » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:26 am

I feel upgrade and Boeing in the same phrase can be dangerous.

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#395 Post by PHXPhlyer » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:20 pm

Max cancellations
https://www.ifn.news/posts/avolon-cance ... g-737-max/
Probably just the beginning of a wave,

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#396 Post by barkingmad » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:04 am

Fortunately I was awake and registering what I was hearing on steam radio this morning. Just one mention that Boeing have found 2 software errors in the system responsible for the Max groundings.
I’m unable to locate any reference to this so is it possible some careless journo has been searching around for something non pestilence that they can flag up and stumbled over old news?

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#398 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:48 am

The planemaker confirmed to Reuters that one issue involves hypothetical faults in the flight control computer microprocessor, which could potentially lead to a loss of control known as a runaway stabilizer, while the other issue could potentially lead to disengagement of the autopilot feature during final approach. Boeing said the software updates will address both issues.

The Federal Aviation Administration said on Tuesday it is in contact with Boeing as it “continues its work on the automated flight control system on the 737 MAX. The manufacturer must demonstrate compliance with all certification standards.”
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#399 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:29 am

Boeing is considering sacking 10% of its workforce...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-con ... 9?mod=e2tw

Summary here...
(Reuters) - Boeing Co <BA.N> is considering a plan to cut its workforce by about 10%, which could involve buyouts, early retirements and involuntary layoffs, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday.

The potential job cuts are expected to largely target Boeing's commercial arm, which has been under strain due to the crisis in the global airline industry, the report https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-con ... 9?mod=e2tw said.

The planemaker declined to a Reuters request for comment.

Amid the coronavirus pandemic, Boeing has been suspending production at various plants, including the manufacturing of its 787 airplane at its facilities in South Carolina.

Last week, the U.S. planemaker's Chief Executive Officer Dave Calhoun outlined a plan of voluntary layoffs for employees, while warning that the pandemic would have a lasting impact on the aerospace industry.

The company had earlier freezed hiring and overtime pay except in certain critical areas to preserve cash.
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#400 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:45 am

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:29 am
Boeing is considering sacking 10% of its workforce...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-con ... 9?mod=e2tw

Summary here...
(Reuters) -

The company had earlier freezed hiring had frozen hiring and overtime pay except in certain critical areas to preserve cash.
Even Reuters are mangling the message and English at the moment.
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