Heavy landing checks needed

[Woody]

http://avherald.com/h?article=50d52882&opt=0

Apologies forgot this

METAR KSNA 210605Z AUTO 2SM +RA BR OVC011 21/19 A2981 RMK AO2 T02060189 PNO $

[PHXPhlyer]

No wind info reported in that METAR.
Here is the previous one as well.

KSNA 210653Z AUTO 14014G26KT 2SM -RA BKN014 OVC022 20/17 A2984 RMK AO2 PK WND 13026/0647 SLP103 T02000172 PNO $=
KSNA 210605Z AUTO 2SM +RA BR OVC011 21/19 A2981 RMK AO2 T02060189 PNO $=

Been in and out of KSNA many times.
It is a bit of a challenge under benign conditions and a bit more sporty when you factor in the wet runway and gusty crosswind.
When my former outfit decided to make "Flaps Three" the standard landing configuration over "Flaps Full" there was much pushback from flight crews. The rational for "Flaps Three" was basically fuel savings. 50-60 lbs per approach spread over the fleet added up for the beancounters.
One of the checkairmen, to try to prove the point that "Flaps Three" was doable in most all cases, did a "Flaps Three" landing at KSNA and used literally every inch of 20R. Rather red faced after that landing and roll-out.



The noise abatement procedure for 20R was also very sporty, "Flaps Three" and V2+10 steep climb to 3,000' IIRC, to avoid disturbing the inhabitants of the oceanview residential $$$$ area between the runway and the beach.
Noise monitors and threats of fines for triggering them.

PP

[llondel]

I've been in and out of there once, I was aware that it was considered the second worst in the US (DCA was worse), mainly because of all the noise abatement stuff and fun winds.

[PHXPhlyer]

Orange County KSNA and Burbank KBUR would be at the top of my list.
DCA River Visual to 19 was always fun. Turning final at about 400'. The real challenge was to not sightsee during visual conditions.
Same for KLGA.

PP

[Wodrick]

Picture tells a story:

[llondel]

Be interesting to know if they just banged it in, got caught out by a sudden windshear, or whether it was a structural failure from within limits.

I assume that while there are warnings for windshear, if one decides to drop right on top of you when you're that close to the ground, there's nothing you can do.

[reddo]

That's not a heavy landing, that's a hard landing!

[Wodrick]

When DAN first got their 727s the training was done for both drivers and engineers was done by American Airlines.
The Drivers were told to make "Positive Ground Contact".
Strikes me this chap took it too far.
I have difficulty imagining the force of the impact.

[Woody]

How to land a proper aeroplane.

[Boac]

Nah! This is how you do it https://www.1001crash.com/aviation-vide ... nding.html

Re the incident at KSNA - I wonder if we may have another Boeing 'manufacturing' problem.

[PHXPhlyer]

Juan's analysis:



PP