Won't wear seatbelts..aka Princess Diana Syndrome

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Re: Won't wear seatbelts..aka Princess Diana Syndrome

#21 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Wed May 22, 2024 5:08 am

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Tue May 21, 2024 8:26 pm
Allegedly serving breakfast at the time, which usually stimulates a lot of people to go to the toilet so could be queueing. Someone did impact the ceiling in one of the toilets.
Do they have seatbelts at the first class bar seating, Mrs Ex A?
Yes, on the 380 there were seats both sides of the bar area with lap straps. IIRC 4 seats each side.
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Re: Won't wear seatbelts..aka Princess Diana Syndrome

#22 Post by probes » Wed May 22, 2024 7:12 am

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Unconfirmed reports that the death (British pax) was by heart attack
No wonder. They must have been thinking it's a crash.

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Re: Won't wear seatbelts..aka Princess Diana Syndrome

#23 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu May 23, 2024 4:37 pm

More than 20 people hurt on turbulent Singapore Airlines flight have spinal injuries, hospital says

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/23/asia/sin ... index.html

Of the dozens of people hurt Tuesday during turbulence on a Singapore Airlines flight from London, more than 20 have suffered spinal injuries, according to a Bangkok hospital that treated some of the passengers.

Adinun Kittiratanapaibool, director of the Samitivej Srinakarin Hospital in the Thai capital, told reporters on Thursday that it is treating 22 patients with spine and spinal cord issues, six with skull and brain injuries, and another 13 for bone, muscle or soft tissue complaints.

The doctor added that 17 patients had undergone surgery, including procedures like suturing to spinal operations.


Flight SQ321 from London to Singapore was cruising at 37,000 feet on Tuesday when the plane dropped sharply before climbing several hundred feet, according to flight tracking data. It then repeated to dip and ascend for about a minute.

Many passengers were having breakfast at the time of the incident. Video and images from inside the aircraft after its emergency landing in Bangkok showed the extent of the damage, with overhead compartments smashed open and emergency oxygen air masks dangling above the seats.

A photo of one galley showed a section of the ceiling open with parts of the plane’s interior hanging down. Trays, containers, plastic bottles and hot beverage pots can be seen strewn across the floor.


After the incident, the plane – which was carrying 211 passengers and 18 crew – was diverted to Bangkok, where ambulances and emergency response teams were waiting.

Those injured on the flight included citizens from Australia, Malaysia, the United Kingdom, New Zealand, Spain, the United States and Ireland, the hospital previously said.

Of the total 71 passengers who were reported injured on the flight, 55 people remain in hospital, including 40 at the Samitivej Srinakarin facility.

A 73-year-old British man with an existing heart condition died on board, though hospital officials haven’t confirmed his cause of death.

The man was later identified as Geoff Kitchen, who was described as “always a gentleman with the utmost honesty and integrity” by the Thornbury Musical Theatre Group, an establishment where he worked for over 35 years.

Of the passengers and crew on board the original flight, 143 were flown to Singapore on a relief flight sent by Singapore Airlines on Wednesday morning.

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Re: Won't wear seatbelts..aka Princess Diana Syndrome

#24 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sat May 25, 2024 7:22 am

Singapore Airlines now say that they will suspend meal services when it is turbulent ^!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lence.html

They were dodging Cbs at the time of the accident/incident. What airline captain approves meal service in this situation, The seat belt signs should have been on. Sure people should have been strapped in anyway but it should have been compulsory util they were clear of the weather.
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#25 Post by llondel » Sat May 25, 2024 3:55 pm

I have been on flights where it got a bit bumpy and it was announced that cabin service would be suspended for a bit. Generally, if the flight deck tells the cabin crew to take their seats, you know it's serious.

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#26 Post by ExSp33db1rd » Sat May 25, 2024 10:06 pm

But sometimes ….. the Cabin Crew ask for the seat belt sign so that they can more easily go about their business around the cabin !

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Qatar's Turn for Turbulence

#27 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sun May 26, 2024 4:26 pm

12 people injured after Qatar Airways plane hits turbulence on way to Dublin
The flight was traveling from Doha to Dublin when it hit turbulence.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wi ... -110571501

LONDON -- Twelve people were injured when a Qatar Airways plane flying from Doha to Dublin on Sunday hit turbulence, airport authorities said. Eight of the injured were hospitalized.

Dublin Airport said in a statement that flight QR017, a Boeing 787 Dreamliner, landed safely as scheduled before 1 p.m. (1200 GMT).

It said that upon landing the aircraft was met by emergency services, including airport police and the fire and rescue department, "due to six passengers and six crew … reporting injuries after the aircraft experienced turbulence while airborne over Turkey.”

The airport said all passengers were assessed for injuries aboard the plane, and eight were then taken to hospital.

Qatar Airways said in a statement that “a small number of passengers and crew sustained minor injuries in flight and are now receiving medical attention.”

It said “the matter is now subject to an internal investigation.”

The incident comes five days after a British man died of a suspected heart attack and dozens of people were injured when a Singapore Airlines flight from London hit severe turbulence.

While turbulence-related fatalities are rare, injuries have piled up over the years. Some meteorologists and aviation analysts note that reports of turbulence encounters also have been increasing and point to the potential impacts that climate change may have on flying conditions.

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Re: Won't wear seatbelts..aka Princess Diana Syndrome

#28 Post by OFSO » Sun May 26, 2024 7:05 pm

Amazing isn't it. Five days after a death and injuries turbulence accident, people still not buckling up. Or am I expecting too much of the human race ? (Answer not needed).

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#29 Post by bob2s » Mon May 27, 2024 12:59 am

Common sense is not common any more!

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Re: Won't wear seatbelts..aka Princess Diana Syndrome

#30 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed May 29, 2024 3:43 pm

Probe into deadly Singapore Airlines flight finds sharp altitude drop caused injuries
A 73-year-old passenger died of a suspected heart attack and dozens were injured after the flight from London to Singapore, encountered sudden, extreme turbulence.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/sing ... rcna154452

Preliminary findings released on Wednesday of an investigation into a Singapore Airlines flight hit by severe turbulence last week showed that a rapid change in gravitational force and a 54-meter (177ft) altitude drop caused injuries.

A 73-year-old passenger died of a suspected heart attack and dozens were injured after flight SQ321, flying from London to Singapore, encountered what the airline described as sudden, extreme turbulence while flying over Myanmar.

The May 21 flight on a Boeing 777-300ER plane carrying 211 passengers and 18 crew diverted to Bangkok for an emergency landing after the plane was buffeted by turbulence that flung passengers and crew around the cabin, slamming some into the ceiling.

“The aircraft experienced a rapid change in G (gravitational force) ... This likely resulted in the occupants who were not belted up to become airborne,” the Singapore Transport Ministry said in a statement.

“The vertical acceleration changed from negative 1.5G to positive 1.5G within 4 seconds. This likely resulted in the occupants who were airborne to fall back down,” it said, citing information extracted from the flight data and cockpit voice recorders.

“The rapid changes in G over the 4.6 seconds duration resulted in an altitude drop of 178 ft, from 37,362 ft to 37,184 ft. This sequence of events likely caused the injuries to the crew and passengers,” it added.

Chaotic scenes
Shaken passengers described scenes of chaos in the minutes after the incident, with the turbulence throwing people upwards then into the aisle, many left with bleeding and head wounds.

Photographs of the cabin showed gashes in the overhead cabin panels, oxygen masks and panels hanging from the ceiling and luggage strewn around. A passenger said some people’s heads had slammed into lights above the seats and broken the panels.

Singapore Airlines said it acknowledged the report and was cooperating fully with the investigation.

The airline late on Tuesday had said 42 people who were on board the flight were still in Bangkok, including 26 passengers receiving medical treatment in hospital.

Among those initially hospitalized were patients with spinal cord injuries and some with brain and skull injuries, according to Thai medical officials.

The preliminary report said that upon the flight encountering slight vibrations there was an uncommanded increase in altitude, resulting in the autopilot pitching the aircraft downwards. The pilots experienced an increase in airspeed and responded by applying speed brakes.

“While managing the airspeed ... it was heard that a pilot called out that the fasten seat belt sign had been switched on,” it said.

Hong Kong’s Greater Bay Airlines said on Wednesday it would require passengers to fasten seatbelt at all times during the flight even when the seat belt sign is off, starting from Thursday.

The company said it’s not a mandatory requirement but a precautionary measure for passenger safety.

The investigation team comprised Singaporean investigators, and U.S. representatives from Boeing, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). The Singapore transport ministry said the probe was ongoing.

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Re: Won't wear seatbelts..aka Princess Diana Syndrome

#31 Post by reddo » Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:11 am

During last week's tour, our pax said that they would follow the seat belts signs.

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Re: Won't wear seatbelts..aka Princess Diana Syndrome

#32 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:20 am

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During last week's tour, our pax said that they would follow the seat belts signs.
So you left them on to save on paperwork?
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#33 Post by reddo » Sat Jun 08, 2024 11:19 am

:) No, for some reason, many rich folk think that turbulence etc doesn't affect them. Many times they have walked around when the seatbelts signs are on. Rather frustrating to be honest. But now, many are finally obeying them. I'll give it a month until that has worn off...

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#34 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Jun 08, 2024 12:38 pm

My experience also.
The rich think that, because they can fix things so the laws of the land don't apply to them, that somehow it's the same with the laws of physics.

I recall our squadron QFI making that his only point to us at the start of Desert Shield.
"Just because they've taken all the rules away, the laws of physics still apply".

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#35 Post by reddo » Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:33 pm

I honestly had one passenger (Russian) ask "how much would it cost to make the weather improve?". :o

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#36 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:47 pm

He would be better advised to spend his money making all his balconies fall-proof ;)))

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#37 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:41 am

We often had people standing on landing on Royal and VIP flights. Equerry putting on his sword, PPOs tooling up, cabin crew still washing up glasses. In flight the press were always wandering around. One reported once that the landing was so smooth he didn't wake up from where he was asleep on a table. A one star told the Station Commander to give me a hat on interview. It was the usual 'What have you done now' meeting. No action was taken.
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#38 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:51 am

One of my landings and they'd have all been sat down, strapped in, and probably praying, ever after.

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#39 Post by Rwy in Sight » Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:25 am

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Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:41 am
We often had people standing on landing on Royal and VIP flights. Equerry putting on his sword, PPOs tooling up, cabin crew still washing up glasses. In flight the press were always wandering around. One reported once that the landing was so smooth he didn't wake up from where he was asleep on a table. A one star told the Station Commander to give me a hat on interview. It was the usual 'What have you done now' meeting. No action was taken.
Why did you allow cabin crew not being strapped in and the same goes for other uniformed staff. Didn't you outrank them?

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Re: Won't wear seatbelts..aka Princess Diana Syndrome

#40 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:45 am

The seat belt signs were on. That is my order to all on board including Royalty. I couldn't see what was going on. Other things on my mind.
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