Frontier 1326 Fiery Landing 5th Oct 2024

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Frontier 1326 Fiery Landing 5th Oct 2024

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Looks like it either burst tyres on landing or warmed up the brakes a bit too much. Based on the video, it looks like the emergency services were waiting for it. The visible flames seem to have gone out by the time it stopped.

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There is definitely more to this story.
CFR was standing by and this wasn't the result of a hard landing as the CBS article stated.
AvHerald has the incident reported but nothing not previously reported.

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This is most odd. Definitely not the result of a hard landing or heavy braking the fire happened too soon.
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Almost as if there was something flammable on the gear that ignited but burned off because there wasn't a continuous supply of it to maintain the fire.
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OK, more detail is that the crew had reported smoke in the cockpit, which would account for all the flashing lights waiting near by, and that it was a hard landing. An ATC excerpt suggests that at landing the tower was not in contact with the flight crew (possibly in the context of talking with the ground crews). I guess it could be two separate things - smoke caused by something internal and the hard landing bursting tyres and throwing up sparks. I'm assuming that if you've got smoke on board you really don't want to have to do a go-around.
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Juan's Analysis:



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Excellent analysis.
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I've ploughed through the AB manuals etc but have yet to find why they lost transmit on VHF1.
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I think that the F/O was listening out on VHF 1 and 2 but transmitting on 2.
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I cannot see that - surely having to revert to 'flash' to acknowledge would have triggered recognition?
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I don't think #2 audio panel is powered in Emerg Elec Config.

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No, it isn't, and that would be a very basic part of the training for EEC. Therefore the LHS would always do flying AND R/T as SOP in that scenario, using VHF1, which is.
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Boac wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2024 4:02 pm
No, it isn't, and that would be a very basic part of the training for EEC. Therefore the LHS would always do flying AND R/T as SOP in that scenario, using VHF1, which is.
See Juan's video at 7:55.
He says only #1 radio and #1 audio panel work in EEC.
I don't have any manuals to check if true.
Edit: I found this:
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/19649 ... 197#manual

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I don't have any manuals to check if true.
Of course it is. Any competent pilot of 737 or AB (and probably every other type) knows this. ^! I do not see how anyone expects the RHS to be chuntering around on a dead radio unless he or she slept through the type conversion.

It remains a mystery and I hope Juan or someone can explain. Perhaps the 'smoke' was from the VHF1 TX circuits?
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A ?plausible'? theory on the R/T thing? If LHS had not set his oxy mask correctly when donning (the access door and a lever need 'doing' on the 737 and I think AB too) he would not have been able to transmit via Audio panel 1. There may, of course, have been some other fault. Assuming RHS was acting as PM and doing the R?T, it looks as if his mask was set properly as R/T was initially 'normal'. Come the time in the descent when the EEC actions are completed and EVERYTHING passes to the LHS, transmit would have been lost. This fits with the ATC transcript.

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