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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#81 Post by Boac » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:17 am

Yes - the Dragon mission is going well.

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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#82 Post by Cacophonix » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:24 am

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I wonder what Helga is doing tonight? I hear from the Ausschuss zur Verhütung von Unfällen in der Luftfahrt that she gives good Diktat!

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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#83 Post by k3k3 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:24 am

Dazu kann ich nur eins sagen, Weißwurstäquator!

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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#84 Post by OFSO » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:32 pm

Helga geht zu meine Basilica in Spanien. Kommt aus Östrich, fahrt eine Audi mit Kennzeichen "HELGA". Seht aus wie Helga aus "Allo Allo".

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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#85 Post by Flintstone » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:48 pm

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#86 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:23 pm

"Repeat, please!"

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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#87 Post by reddo » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:46 pm

The jumpseater was a captain from MESA. He was due to start with United this week. His seat at indoc was left vacant. Also, United flew hi widow back to Colombia first class along with what would have been his United wings and epaulettes.

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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#88 Post by Ex-Ascot » Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:50 am

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ca ... -3-n979686

They know what happened but not why yet. CVR is bad.
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#89 Post by flynverted » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:19 am

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I got interested in prang investigations after I learnt to fly so I could learn from others screwups and not end up as an investigation myself.

BTW after looking at the evidence again I tend to agree with Ex-A's theory of sudden cargo load shift.


Dunno, mate, i used to work for a cargo mob, our official policy was all locks down, our unofficial policy was 1 lock up was acceptable... Providing all others was down and locked. The locks could be down but not locked... Physically... Just sayin....


Sounds like wx or cargo shift... but I cant see it being either one... !ocks down, wx avoided...

I spent ***** tones of time in freighters.. Locks just dont lift up... But straps do break ... Something happened quick....

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#90 Post by Slasher » Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:05 pm

Yes mate. When I was on the DC9-30 we had one which was a QC. We sometimes had only one lock but the policy was that pallet had to have 2 others front and back as an additional measure.

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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#91 Post by flynverted » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:42 am

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Yes mate. When I was on the DC9-30 we had one which was a QC. We sometimes had only one lock but the policy was that pallet had to have 2 others front and back as an additional measure.
DC9?? Ya call sign wouldnt fossil, would it??? ;)

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#92 Post by Slasher » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:53 am

Nah mate...that was waaay back when I was a sexually-frothing young buck DC9 F/O with TAA in the early '80s.

I liked the freighter version - aircraft was loaded but the time you got there, load and trim sheet sitting on the radio panel awaiting signature, dep was always early, subsequent arrival early etc, and we usually arrived a full hour early back at base.

Plus the pallets never complained about sev turb or if one plants it on the runway a bit firm. They don't bitch neither if the departure was a few mins late.

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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#93 Post by Ex-Ascot » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:16 pm

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Nah mate...that was waaay back when I was a sexually-frothing young buck DC9 F/O with TAA in the early '80s.

I liked the freighter version - aircraft was loaded but the time you got there, load and trim sheet sitting on the radio panel awaiting signature, dep was always early, subsequent arrival early etc, and we usually arrived a full hour early back at base.

Plus the pallets never complained about sev turb or if one plants it on the runway a bit firm. They don't bitch neither if the departure was a few mins late.
See your point Capt but no spare 1st class grub for the flight deck and no girlies to serve it. If I recall correctly on the few occasions I did freighting, mainly Gulf War they gave us one girlie to serve the flight deck and ALM. Crew meals of course, which were pretty awful. Airline crew meals were also crap. As we were charter, the pax meals were no better. The best grub was Royal and VIP, all BA Concorde at first then BA 1st class, pax and flight deck. We got to take any spare grub home. Not many Border Collies dined on smoked salmon and sirloin steak. :O3
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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#94 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:42 pm

Thanks Reddo. Good to know some companies quietly get on with doing the decent thing.

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#95 Post by Slasher » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:35 am

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See your point Capt but no spare 1st class grub for the flight deck and no girlies to serve it.
True on the DC9 sah with just the 2 of us on board. As the cojock I was usually sent back to heat up the grub and make the coffee. But when I went to the 727 there were 2 QC models and the F/E played trolley dolly.

It was pot luck if the crew meals were fit for human consumption or not, so on the -9 I picked the most edible for meself. On the Boeing I ended up most times with the crap.

And true about the girlies. Somehow food and drink tastes better when served with a pervading atmosphere of perfume.

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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#96 Post by Ex-Ascot » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:07 am

Slasher:
Somehow food and drink tastes better when served with a pervading atmosphere of perfume.
No, I actually I hated it when one of the woofters came onto the flight deck.
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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#97 Post by Slasher » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:26 am

Ex-Ascot wrote:
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Slasher:
Somehow food and drink tastes better when served with a pervading atmosphere of perfume.
No, I actually I hated it when one of the woofters came onto the flight deck.
I was of course referring to the hosties sah. I never ever accepted meals served by sh!t shunters because I didn't know (nor wanted to know) where their hands and fingers had been previously.

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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#98 Post by Cacophonix » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:21 am

This is the video that purports to show the actual crash.



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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#99 Post by Boac » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:57 pm

A chilling update from the NTSB:

"Shortly after, when the airplane’s indicated airspeed was steady about 230 knots, the engines increased to maximum thrust, and the airplane pitch increased to about 4° nose up. The airplane then pitched nose down over the next 18 seconds to about 49° in response to nose-down elevator deflection."

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Re: Freighter crash, Houston

#100 Post by Flintstone » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:32 pm

Why, when reading that, did I think the word 'suicide'?

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