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Re: ET crash ADD NBO

#481 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue May 14, 2019 12:23 pm

The events which need to be in sequence are those leading up to the certification, including design decisions, transfer of certification authority to Boeing, when Boeing knew of the need for system changes, and when they actually promulgated them. Or not. This problem, and Boeing's attitude to it, started waay before the accidents.

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#482 Post by barkingmad » Sun May 19, 2019 8:00 am

www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/boe ... ly_crashes

Just for a change, a reasonable summary of the story so far for the travelling public.

However, will the airlines buy and will Joe Public climb aboard when noticing the 2-finger winglets?

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#483 Post by Wodrick » Sun May 19, 2019 8:36 am

Thanks for posting that
https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/ITORRO10?cm_ven=localwx_pwsdash

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#484 Post by barkingmad » Thu May 23, 2019 6:25 am

And the latest from UK's favourite broadcaster, unless it's Brexit under discussion:

Boeing: Regulators to meet about grounded 737 Max https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48371100

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#485 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Thu May 23, 2019 9:26 am

Finding a fix is not the problem. How the problem happened is the real problem. Neither Boeing nor the FAA can now be trusted. They will not be trusted again until how this fatal problem happened is investigated and fixed. Neither Boeing nor the FAA are prepared to do a proper open investigation because that is going to result in massive lawsuits for everything from criminal negligence to corporate manslaughter. The purpose of this meeting is to see if foreign regulators can be bought off in some way without that open investigation happening. It would not seem to be in anyone else's interest to be bought off, so if it happens, the price is likely to be very high indeed.

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#486 Post by barkingmad » Fri May 24, 2019 9:07 am

And those of a certain age in this forum may recall it was Boeing, CFM, FAA & UK CAA ( no ghastly EASA in those days!) who certified as fit for public transport the re-fanned engine and it's horrible EFIS system all of which ended up on the M1 embankment on the aporoach to EMA.

Shortly followed by the fan failure in the Dan-Air incident which was correctly handled.

Regulators too close to manufacturers and in some cases too close to the big legacy airlines? :((

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#487 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Fri May 24, 2019 9:25 am

Your average regulator, from the bod up top down to the humblest paper-shuffler, is not going to do anything like that without tacit political approval, complete lack of effective oversight, or positive encouragement. It's all down the the politicians.

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#488 Post by compo » Fri May 24, 2019 6:10 pm

barkingmad wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 6:25 am
And the latest from UK's favourite broadcaster, unless it's Brexit under discussion:

Boeing: Regulators to meet about grounded 737 Max https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48371100
Seems Boeing & FAA have failed to convince the world that 737 max is airworthy. Surely must be implications for certification of future aircraft from USA based companys

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#489 Post by ian16th » Wed May 29, 2019 2:26 pm

Cynicism improves with age

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#490 Post by barkingmad » Fri May 31, 2019 8:11 am

von Hoesslin joins the thousands of whistleblowers in whichever heaven or hell they end up in.

Same crewroom as the Boeing shopfloor supervisors who flagged up the defective fuselage hoops and bearstraps nearly 20 years ago. X(

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#492 Post by barkingmad » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:31 am

Let's farm out our parts manufacturing and QC to Joe's Tool&Pipe works somewhere in the boondocks.
Makes great economic sense and the accounts look much better this year, before I leave having caused chaos well down the line and long after everyone has forgotten that it was my idea.
But hey, I did have a Master's in Economics before I brought my shrewd business acumen to this (once great) company.
Doubles all round barman!!

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#493 Post by OFSO » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:14 pm

Not just the Max, also the NG. Relatively few aircraft affected. According to Boeing, that is....

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#494 Post by ribrash » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:34 pm

Boeing have just released the anti stall patch for the 737 Max.
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#495 Post by ian16th » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:19 pm

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#496 Post by barkingmad » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:33 pm

I suppose it depends on whether Joe Public catches sight of the 2-fingered winglets and the aft edge of the engine cowlings fashioned by pinking shears??
Then there could be a rash of no-shows unless these aircraft recce features are too subtle for the punters.
I'm still pondering why Toulouse adopted the blended winglet which has confused me ever since they appeared on the scene. Having worked their way through the "sharks fin" and then the cranked 744 style winglet it looks like a copy of the NG's distinctive original bought-in design?

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#497 Post by Rwy in Sight » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:06 pm

I am wondering how much lower the price of the ticket should be to attract those low-fare hunters how choose a fare for being two dollars/ Euros lower than the next one.

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#498 Post by ian16th » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:21 pm

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#499 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:50 pm

Yeah. They need to be trained like 1960s pilots of the vintage of the real 737 were trained: ie, how to fly the wing.

Nowadays, they also need to be trained how to defeat Boeing's lethal ability to defeat pilots from doing that.

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#500 Post by llondel » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:51 pm

Still a case for a big red "give me the aircraft and let me figure it out" button.

As an engineer, I'd want to be able to call up a debug screen where the MCAS module would be spitting out messages: "Adjusted trim" and the AoA sensor would be reporting "20 degrees" so at least you could see what the control systems were playing at. If you've got a system to correct a pilot mistake then by all means make the correction but tell him you're doing it so he learns not to do it again, and if he knows he didn't make the mistake then he's at least prepared for impending collision between excrement and air-moving device.

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