ET crash ADD NBO

[Boac]

OK, Wod, but it is an important distinction. If the THS only maintained 'attitude' the a/c would descend when it slowed down and would not maintain 1g.

[Ibbie]

I see TUI (UK) have leased in 3 x A321 from Olympus Airways, end of April to mid July as some cover for their grounded 737 Max.

[Wodrick]

I've just spent an age looking at schematics to determine what does the doing in "sidestick" mode. Still not clear

[Undried Plum]

I see TUI (UK) have leased in 3 x A321 from Olympus Airways

Are you sure they're not just rebranded 737s, as per Chump's suggestion?







Some great additional features

Like, f'rinstance: side-stick controllers; computers that will implement the pilot's attitudinal command in a reasonable manner unless the stickmonkey is a total ****; computers that instantly vote a **** computer out of office without waiting four years to do so. That sort of thing.

What would the new model be called? Boeing 321 sounds catchy.

The Lockheed all-flying rudder/fin could be used to replace the infamous 737 killer rudder; and could be rebranded ShakinThatAss™.

They could redesign the nose/cockpit so that it doesn't look like a recycled 707. No, don't call it a Comet, ferfuxake.

Don't call it a Cabriolet either. Hawaii tried that and it wasn't a good look.

They could rebrand it 'Trump' of course, but for most of the non-American English-speaking world 'Trump' is slang for fart. Surely nobody in their right mind would brand a brand-new brand as 'Fart'. Would they?

[boing]

It seems to me that this problem would not have occurred if Boeing had simply lengthened the 737 gear legs to accommodate the new engines. Of course, this would have altered the wing design and possibly required re-certification.

There is a precedent for this aircraft layout, it was called the 757. Why not play games with certification of a 757 type rather than further stretch the 737 concept? Since the 757 fuselage is basically a stretched 737/727 fuselage in any case perhaps we should have had the 757 MIN instead of the 737 MAX- no, doesn't sound so saleable does it?

I never flew the 737 officially, it was always called the FLUF which stood for Fat Little Ugly F---r which was my feelings about it. My order of preference for the Boeings (in order of fun to fly not ease) would be 727, 747-400, 747 Classic, 757, 767-200, 767-100. I would have been a very happy camper flying a 757 derivative.

.

[Undried Plum]

Order of preference for the Boeings (in order of fun to fly not ease) would be 727, 747-400, 747 Classic, 757, 767-200, 767-100.

Just imagine having to do three different Type Ratings for that lot!

Oh! The Humanity!

[boing]

Plum.

The 727 rating was fun but challenging because it was probably your first left-hand seat job. The Classic rating was an absolute hoot from beginning to end, never laughed or had so much fun in training, it was always referred to as a "Gentleman's Course". The 400 was fun because they had not converted to the computer based training for the aircraft yet. The 757 and 767 training was bloody miserable. Sit down at a computer, each aspect of the training was dealt with in a block, you were forced to complete the whole boring stream of drivel before you were allowed to take the test. You took the the test immediately after the training block was complete and it was multiple choice designed so that any moron who had managed to stay awake through the previous training block would find the questions completely obvious. Of course, very few people remembered any of the training in that block two weeks later. You barely saw an instructor in the first half of the course and if you did he was probably an inexperienced text spouter.

You will gather I do not think much of modern electric jet training, too bloody right I don't. I hand flew a 757 on a two and a half hour leg one day and the co-pilot had the cheek to ask me what I was trying to prove. Apparently the idea of maintaining hand flying skills was completely foreign to him but, in fact, as much use of the autopilot as possible WAS company policy.

.

[ian16th]

Boeing Completes MCAS Pre-Certification Flight Testing

[OFSO]

The New York Times has an interesting article on poor quality control at the South Carolina "Dreamliner" production facility. Boeing seems to spend more time and money attacking whistleblowers who are reporting tools and debris left in aircraft than in fixing the problem.

[barkingmad]

Poor Quality Control issues dating back to the start of this decade resulting in whistleblowers being persecuted and prosecuted have been dogging Mr B's company for some time.
I was disturbed in 2011, whilst a line dog on some of the older NGs, to stumble across the rather unusual named company and the "fixes" employed to cope with the out-of-tolerance fuselage hoops and bearstraps as supplied to the assembly line.
http://timtate.co.uk/blog/how-safe-is-your-plane/
Some good breakfast reading to curdle the milk in the muesli?!

[barkingmad]

And this from 2006.......

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicag ... y,amp.html

And apparently they make or made parts for Mr A's airframes too so the sidestick wigglers need not feel complacent.

[barkingmad]

And so it goes on........

https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Docum ... ,_2000.pdf

Where's that darkened room......?

[barkingmad]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 41a1068693

On reading this I found my evening G&T tasted distinctly of pi55.
Must give up reading.

[Slasher]

https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Docum ... ,_2000.pdf

I'll read that on Wed when I have my day off.

[ian16th]

Todays Bulletin

Is the FAA running scared of being seen as Boeing's Agent?

[Boac]

From CNN:

"The FAA tells CNN it received the four hotline submissions on April 5, and it may be opening up an entirely new investigative angle into what went wrong in the crashes of two Boeing 737 Max commercial airliners -- Lion Air flight 620 in October and Ethiopian Air flight 302 in March.
Among the complaints is a previously unreported issue involving damage to the wiring of the angle of attack sensor by a foreign object, according to the source.
Boeing has reportedly had previous issues with foreign object debris in its manufacturing process; The New York Times reported metal shavings were found near wiring of Boeing 787 Dreamliner planes, and the Air Force stopped deliveries of the Boeing KC-46 tanker after foreign object debris was found in some of the planes coming off the production line.

Other reports by the whistleblowers involve concerns about the MCAS control cut-out switches, which disengage the MCAS software, according to the source."

[Rwy in Sight]

There is a precedent for this aircraft layout, it was called the 757. Why not play games with certification of a 757 type rather than further stretch the 737 concept? Since the 757 fuselage is basically a stretched 737/727 fuselage in any case perhaps we should have had the 757 MIN instead of the 737 MAX- no, doesn't sound so saleable does it?

I never flew the 737 officially, it was always called the FLUF which stood for Fat Little Ugly F---r which was my feelings about it. My order of preference for the Boeings (in order of fun to fly not ease) would be 727, 747-400, 747 Classic, 757, 767-200, 767-100. I would have been a very happy camper flying a 757 derivative.

.

I loved the officially part.

A lot of airlines use the 737 one based in the great State of Texas come to mind and they wouldn't care to acquire a 757 MIN.

[Boac]

As has been said many times before, the 757 production line is DEAD and is most unlikely to be re-jigged! It is history, like the 707/727.

[Slasher]

I never flew the 737 officially, it was always called the FLUF which stood for Fat Little Ugly F---r which was my feelings about it.

How does one get to fly a blinkin' 737 unofficially?

Agree with the 737-100/200 being FLUFs (I flew the 200) but the 400 and 800 didn't look that bad. The 800 was like the 400 but with the annoying bugs taken out e.g. AC gennys powering direct to the xfer busses and not the main busses 1 and 2.

[boing]

"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....",

.