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#881 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:08 pm

The only thing that will make any difference is if they change the orders to the bosses to reprioritise safety* AND change the senior exec bonus schemes to reflect that AND rehire all the experienced guys they let go.
Boeing's bottom line would take a massive hit - they won't do it.
Question is, when will the groundings, and the prospect of more of them, cause airlines to switch their orders simply on grounds of aircraft availability, and therefore their profits.

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#882 Post by boing » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:01 am

We all see the pattern here, Create a new non-unionised spin-off company that you swear is independent and out source most of the work. If SHTF you swear that you didn't realise that this company is producing rubbish. Meanwhile you bust the unions at the parent company to the stage where everyone is terrified about losing their job then you lean on these people to use the rubbish from the spin-of without complaint. This is presently American capitalism.

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#883 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:12 am

To be honest, it's always been everywhere's Capitalism.
The differences now are that Government regulation both fails to regulate the big companies (either by design or incompetence, it matters not which) whilst forcing their smaller competitors out of business.
Additionally, increased taxation to pay for the oppressive regulation forces more people to work longer for the big exploiters.
It stops when people start ignoring the government, either by dropping out, or going into the grey or black economy.

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#884 Post by Woody » Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:49 pm

Boeing has asked Ryanair to send extra engineers to oversee quality checks of its planes "on the ground" following the Alaska Airlines incident.
Ryanair's boss told the BBC that quality was improving but the incident had shown there was "more to be done".
It comes after an unused door fell off a Boeing 737 Max 9 operated by US-based Alaska Airlines.
Ryanair does not use Boeing's 737 Max 9 aircraft but operates the Max 8 variant and has Max 10s on order.
The airline is one of Boeing's biggest customers for the 737 Max family, with more than 100 in service and due to have some 400 more by 2034.
Ryanair's chief executive Michael O'Leary said that he expects delivery delays to affect its capacity.
Asked in an interview with the BBC if he had complete confidence in Boeing's quality control processes after the incident which saw an unused door fall off, the Ryanair boss said "no".
But he added that his airline did now have "more confidence" in plane maker Boeing.
Mr O'Leary also said that a delivery of 12 planes towards the end of last year had been "in terms of defects the best deliveries we've had in three years".
He acknowledged what happened with the Alaska Airlines flight had been serious but said the industry always learned from incidents.
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#885 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:59 am

Boeing’s stock tumbles after report warns investigation will open ‘a whole new can of worms’

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As if Boeing needed any more bad news, a scathing report from Wall Street on Tuesday cast doubt on Boeing’s ability to pass a new federal safety audit, sending its stock sinking sharply. Later Tuesday, Boeing announced an independent adviser who will lead a review of the company’s quality control.

The Wells Fargo report, entitled “FAA audit opens up a whole new can of worms,” noted that Boeing’s quality control and engineering problems have been ongoing for years. After part of an Alaska Airlines] 737 Max 9 jet fell off the plane mid-flight, the likelihood of the US Federal Aviation Administration coming out of its investigation without significant findings was very low.

“Given Boeing’s recent track record, and greater incentive for the FAA to find problems, we think the odds of a clean audit are low,” the analysts said. “The FAA’s audit is limited to Max 9 for now, but it’s feasible that findings could expand the scope to other Max models sharing common parts.”

The analysts believe the investigation increases significantly the risk that Boeing takes a hit to its production and deliveries, and they downgraded the stock to “equal weight,” down from “overweight,” the equivalent of a “buy” rating.

In this National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) handout, plastic covers the exterior of the fuselage plug area of Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 Boeing 737-9 MAX on January 7, 2024 in Portland, Oregon. A door-sized section near the rear of the Boeing 737-9 MAX plane blew off 10 minutes after Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 took off from Portland, Oregon on January 5 on its way to Ontario, California.
Boeing is letting airlines into its factories as preliminary inspections begin on the 737 Max 9
Boeing’s (BA) stock tumbled 8% on the report.

The FAA last week opened an investigation into Boeing’s quality control after the Alaska Airlines incident. The regulator said the dramatic in-flight blowout on Alaska Airlines 1282 “should have never happened and it cannot happen again.”

The door plug, which is supposed to cover up a space left by a removed emergency exit door in the side of the plane, blew off the aircraft and left a gaping hole in the side of the plane. The force of the explosive decompression and subsequent high-speed airflow inside the cabin ripped headrests off seats as the plane flew at 16,000 feet shortly after taking off from Portland, Oregon, carrying 177 people.

Some passengers were injured, but in an extraordinary stroke of good luck, no one was seated next to the door plug, and there were no fatalities.

The FAA says the investigation will focus on whether Boeing “failed to ensure completed products conformed to its approved design and were in a condition for safe operation in compliance with FAA regulations.”

Boeing declined to comment Tuesday, but said it “will cooperate fully and transparently with the FAA and the NTSB on their investigations” in a statement last Thursday.

Boeing turns to former military leader
To help respond to those investigations, Boeing is naming an independent adviser to review quality control on its commercial airplane production lines.

Boeing Tuesday said a team of outside experts headed by retired US Navy Admiral Kirkland H. Donald “will conduct a thorough assessment of Boeing’s quality management system for commercial airplanes.” The company is following through after announcing last week it would bring an outside adviser to help assess its quality control.

Boeing says Donald and his team will also look at “quality programs and practices” in Boeing factories as well as those of Boeing’s suppliers, reporting their findings back to Boeing’s board of directors.

In a statement, Boeing CEO David Calhoun said the review will “provide an independent and comprehensive assessment with actionable recommendations for strengthening our oversight of quality in our own factories and throughout our extended commercial airplane production system.”

The company would be “taking a hard look at our quality practices in our factories and across our production system,” said Stan Deal, the Boeing executive who oversees its commercial airplane division, on Monday.

Ahead of today’s move, Deal wrote in a memo to employees obtained by CNN that the company would be performing more inspections of each 737 before they are delivered. He also said Boeing is now more closely monitoring the work of a key supplier that builds the 737 Max fuselage.

Last week, FAA Administrator Mike Whitaker said he was considering requiring “an independent third party to oversee Boeing’s inspections and its quality system.”

Boeing’s mistake
A week ago, Calhoun acknowledged the company’s “mistake” at a staff-wide “safety meeting,” but he did not specify what that mistake was. National Transportation Safety Board Chair Jennifer Homendy has demanded Boeing provide answers about any mistake it made as part of its safety investigation, which is separate from the FAA’s audit.

Although the investigation is ongoing, and it remains unclear what caused the door plug to blow off the plane, two airlines with a large number of 737 Max 9 planes in service — Alaska Airlines and United Airlines — said they found either loose hardware or bolts in the assembly of door plugs on their aircraft. United says its discovery pointed to possible installation issues.

In a letter to Boeing last week, the FAA gave the company 10 days to supply any information on the cause of the Alaska Airlines incident. It also wants to know what actions Boeing has taken to prevent it from happening again.

Wells Fargo analysts noted in their report that the FAA investigation could take some time to complete, noting many of its probes remain “under investigation” months after the original incidents.

All 737 Max 9 planes remain grounded as the FAA works to approve Boeing’s inspection criteria for airlines to assess the safety of the aircraft. The regulator has not provided a timeline of when the planes might return to service. Alaska and United have canceled more than 100 flights a day as they await an all-clear from the FAA.

A history of quality control problems
Boeing has faced repeated quality and safety issues with its aircraft for five years now, leading to the long-term grounding of some jets and the halt in deliveries of others.

The 737 Max’s design was found to be responsible for two fatal crashes: one in Indonesia in October 2018 and the other in Ethiopia in March 2019. Together, the two crashes killed all 346 people aboard the two flights and led to a 20-month grounding of the company’s best-selling jets, which cost it more than $21 billion.

Internal communications released during the 737 Max grounding showed one employee describing the jet as “designed by clowns, who in turn are supervised by monkeys.”

Late last month, Boeing asked airlines to inspect all of their 737 Max jets for a potential loose bolt in the rudder system after an airline discovered a potential problem with a key part on two aircraft.

Its quality and engineering problems have extended beyond the 737. Boeing also had to twice halt deliveries of its 787 Dreamliner, for about a year starting in 2021 and again in 2023, due to quality concerns cited by the FAA. And the 777 jet also suffered a grounding after an engine failure on a United flight scattered engine debris onto homes and the ground below.

Two Max variants — the Max 7 and the Max 10 — are still awaiting approval to begin carrying passengers. This latest incident complicates that, Wells Fargo analysts noted.

“The Max 7 and Max 10 variants… are now likely to receive greater scrutiny,” they said. “This includes a required safety waiver that, while probably reasonable, looks politically difficult to grant given recent events.”

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#886 Post by Karearea » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:24 am

From Alaska Airlines:
You may have questions about what the grounding and inspections of our Boeing 737-9 MAX aircraft mean not only for your travel plans, but for the safety of you and your loved ones. With that in mind, here is an update on what has transpired over the past two weeks.
Message from Alaska Airlines CEO Ben Minicucci: Next steps on the Boeing 737-9 MAX [5:54]

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#887 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:17 pm

I'm allergic to CEOs.
Any chance of a short summary from someone who isn't?

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#888 Post by OFSO » Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:17 pm

Secretary of State Blinken stranded in Switzerland after his modified Boeing 737 jet had critical failure.

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#889 Post by Boac » Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:57 pm

"Boeing says its CEO told workers of Spirit AeroSystems — its subcontractor that builds the 737 Max 9 fuselage — that “we’re going to learn from” this month’s blowout on Alaska Airlines flight 1282."

That's encouraging........................

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#890 Post by jimtherev » Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:49 pm

Boac wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:57 pm
"Boeing says its CEO told workers of Spirit AeroSystems — its subcontractor that builds the 737 Max 9 fuselage — that “we’re going to learn from” this month’s blowout on Alaska Airlines flight 1282."

That's encouraging........................
..... but believable?

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#891 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:01 am

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#892 Post by OFSO » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:08 am

Boeing faces 'safety alert' over door plugs on another model
The 737-900ER, which has the same door plug design as the MAX 9 planes, is facing additional checks after inspections found issues with bolts.

"Issues" ?

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#893 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:54 pm

Somebody probably called the bolts "male" parts, and all the nuts took offence.

There's a lot of nuts taking offence at a lot of things these days, as you've probably noticed ;)))

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#894 Post by PHXPhlyer » Mon Jan 22, 2024 4:55 pm

FAA recommends door plug inspections on another Boeing model after midair Alaska blowout
The Boeing 737-900ER is similar to the 737 Max 9 involved in the Jan. 5 accident in which a "door plug" panel detached from a plane filled with passengers.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fa ... rcna134986

The Federal Aviation Administration on Sunday recommended visual inspections of Boeing 737-900ER planes because of its similarities to the model involved in a Jan. 5 midair emergency on an Alaska Airlines flight.

The inspections should focus on "mid-exit door plugs," the FAA said in a statement, referring to the same type of panel that detached from Alaska Airlines Flight 1282.

The Boeing 737-900ER is used by Alaska, Delta and a number of overseas airlines. It is older than the 737 Max 9 involved in the Alaska Airlines flight, but it uses the same door plug design, the FAA said.

Boeing said in a statement on the 737-900ER inspections: "We fully support the FAA and our customers in this action."

There is no evidence that there are any problems or defects with the 737-900ER's mid-exit door plugs, the FAA noted. The model has logged 11 million hours of operation, according to the agency.

Operators had already conducted additional inspections of the 737-900ER following the Alaska Airlines emergency, the agency said. Sunday's announcement said operators need to ensure the door plugs are properly secured as "an added layer of safety."

Alaska Airlines said it began inspecting its Boeing 737-900ER aircraft "several days ago" out of "an abundance of caution."

"We have had no findings to date and expect to complete the remainder of our -900ER fleet without disruption to our operations," the airline said.

United Airlines said Monday that it started inspections of its 136 Boeing 737-900ER aircraft earlier this week as well and expect to finish "in the next few days without disruption to customers."

Delta Air Lines said it too is inspecting its fleet, adding, “We’re in full compliance with regulation from federal authorities regarding the safety of our aircraft, and at this time we do not anticipate any operational impact.”

Alaska Airlines and United Airlines inspections of 737 Max 9 planes in the wake of the Jan. 5 incident found some aircraft with door plugs that contained bolts that were not tightened to specified torque levels.

National Transportation Safety Board officials said an examination of a panel that blew out of the Alaska Airlines flight showed signs of fractured guides and missing bolts, though it’s possible the fasteners were lost when the so-called door plug was expelled.

The near-capacity Alaska Airlines flight was en route to Ontario, California, from Portland, Oregon, when the door detached in an explosive moment of decompression. No serious injuries were reported, but officials said the situation could have been much worse.

The next day, the FAA issued an emergency airworthiness directive that ordered an estimated 171 737 Max 9s grounded pending inspections and subsequent approval to fly.

"The FAA has launched an investigation, increased its oversight of Boeing and continues to evaluate inspection and maintenance data from the initial 40 inspections of the MAX-9 aircraft," the FAA said Sunday night.

It added, "The Boeing MAX-9 aircraft will remain grounded until the FAA is satisfied they are safe to return to service."

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#895 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:52 pm

Here's the answer to the question I posed a week ago
The Max 10 is the largest model of the plane and hasn’t yet been certified by the Federal Aviation Administration.
United CEO Scott Kirby said the plane is already “best case” about five years delayed and expressed frustration at Boeing for the most recent manufacturing problem in which a door plug blew out during an Alaska Airlines
737 Max 9 flight on Jan. 5, prompting the FAA to ground those planes.

“I think the Max 9 grounding is probably the straw that broke the camel’s back for us,” United CEO Scott Kirby said in an interview Tuesday on CNBC’s “Squawk Box.” “We’re going to at least build a plan that doesn’t have the Max 10 in it.
United the biggest operator of the MAX 9
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/23/united- ... order.html

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#896 Post by PHXPhlyer » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:26 pm

Alaska Airlines CEO: We found 'many' loose bolts on our Max 9 planes following near-disaster
"I'm angry," Ben Minicucci said. "This happened to Alaska Airlines. It happened to our guests and happened to our people."

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/busine ... rcna135316

The CEO of Alaska Airlines said new, in-house inspections of the carrier's Boeing 737 Max 9 planes in the wake of a near-disaster earlier this month revealed that “many” of the aircraft were found to have loose bolts.

In an exclusive interview with NBC News senior correspondent Tom Costello, Alaska Airlines CEO Ben Minicucci discussed the findings of his company's inspections so far since the Jan. 5 incident, in which a panel on one of its Max 9 jets blew out midair on a flight carrying 177 people.

“I’m more than frustrated and disappointed,” he said. “I am angry. This happened to Alaska Airlines. It happened to our guests and happened to our people. And — my demand on Boeing is what are they going to do to improve their quality programs in-house.”

Read more on this story at NBCNews.com and watch “NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt” tonight at 6:30 p.m. ET/5:30 p.m. CT.

Following the incident, the Federal Aviation Administration ordered all Boeing Max 9 planes grounded and launched a safety investigation. The agency also announced an audit of Boeing's Max 9 production line and suppliers "to evaluate Boeing’s compliance with its approved quality procedures." It is also subjecting Boeing, as well as its third-party suppliers, to additional increased monitoring.

The incident also prompted lawmakers to question whether Boeing's quality control systems are adequate.

“Given the previous tragic crashes of Boeing 737 Max aircraft, we are deeply concerned that the loose bolts represent a systemic issue with Boeing’s capabilities to manufacture safe airplanes,” Sens. Ed Markey, J.D. Vance and Peter Welch wrote to Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun earlier this month.

There is still no timetable for returning the Boeing-made planes to service because the FAA has not yet issued specific maintenance orders that are required for them to do so.

As a result, Alaska Airlines, whose fleet had the highest percentage of Max 9 planes among any major carrier, has spent weeks canceling and rearranging its schedule, leaving thousands of passengers scrambling.

Minicucci said the onus is now on Boeing to show how it will improve its quality control and prevent such incidents from unfolding in the future. But out of an abundance of caution, he said, Alaska Airlines is incorporating its own additional oversight on the production line at Boeing.

"We’re sending our audit people to audit their quality control systems and processes to make sure that every aircraft that comes off that production line, that comes to Alaska has the highest levels of excellence and quality," he said.

United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby said in a separate interview with CNBC on Wednesday that it is now contemplating a future for its fleet without the Boeing 737 Max 10, a newer version of the popular jet.

United has also said that it found additional loose bolts on its Max 9 planes.

Minicucci told NBC's Costello that while Alaska Airlines "was" planning to buy Max 10s, the company will now evaluate "what the best long-term strategic plan is for Alaska('s) fleet mix" once the craft is certified.

"I think everything’s open at this point ... for us," he said, confirming that Hawaiian Airlines, which Alaska Airlines is in the process of buying, uses planes produced by Boeing's rival, Airbus. "I think we’re going to do what’s best for Alaska long term, in terms of fleet mix for us. It gives us optionality."

In a statement to NBC News, Boeing said: “We have let down our airline customers and are deeply sorry for the significant disruption to them, their employees and their passengers. We are taking action on a comprehensive plan to bring these airplanes safely back to service and to improve our quality and delivery performance. We will follow the lead of the FAA and support our customers every step of the way.”


Boeing has lost 19% of its market capitalization over the past month.

Minicucci, who became president of Alaska Airlines in 2016 and began his career as an engineer, said he was "incredulous" that something like the incident earlier this month could even happen.

"I knew that this was an issue out of the (Boeing) factory," he said. "There was no question in my mind."

"And it’s clear to me that we received an airplane from Boeing with a faulty door. Now the NTSB investigation is going to figure out why that was a faulty door, whether it was bad installation, missing hardware, a manufacturing issue, but there’s no doubt that Alaska received an airplane off the production line with a faulty door," Minicucci said, referring to the National Transportation Safety Board's probe.

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#897 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:32 pm

This could be Bye Bye Boeing.
Let that be a lesson about putting accountants in charge.

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#898 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:52 pm

The fuselage panel that blew off an Alaska Airlines jet earlier this month was removed for repair then reinstalled improperly by Boeing mechanics on the Renton final assembly line, a person familiar with the details of the work told The Seattle Times.
If verified by the National Transportation Safety Board investigation, this would leave Boeing primarily at fault for the accident, rather than its supplier Spirit AeroSystems, which originally installed the panel into the 737 MAX 9 fuselage in Wichita, Kan.

Last week, an anonymous whistleblower — who appears to have access to Boeing’s manufacturing records of the work done assembling the specific Alaska Airlines jet that suffered the blowout — on an aviation website separately provided many additional details about how the door plug came to be removed and then mis-installed.

“The reason the door blew off is stated in black and white in Boeing’s own records,” the whistleblower wrote. “It is also very, very stupid and speaks volumes about the quality culture at certain portions of the business.”
The self-described Boeing insider said company records show four bolts that prevent the door plug from sliding up off the door frame stop pads that take the pressurization loads in flight, “were not installed when Boeing delivered the airplane.” the whistleblower stated. “Our own records reflect this.”

NTSB investigators already publicly raised the possibility that the bolts had not been installed.

The account goes on to describe shocking lapses in Boeing’s quality control process in Renton.
The work of the mechanics on the door plug should have been formally inspected and signed off by a Boeing quality inspector.
It wasn’t, the whistleblower wrote, because of a process failure and the use of two separate systems to record what work was accomplished.
Boeing’s 737 production system is described as “a rambling, shambling, disaster waiting to happen.”
I'm sure we all know that there's only one reason companies use two separate recording systems.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... max-9-jet/

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#899 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:42 pm

Boeing to pause 737 production for quality stand down on Thursday

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 024-01-23/

WASHINGTON, Jan 23 (Reuters) - Boeing (BA.N), opens new tab will hold a quality stand down Thursday at the Seattle-area location where it makes 737 aircraft, pausing production and delivery operations for a day, the company announced on Tuesday.
During the stand down, employees will attend quality workshops and "pause, evaluate what we're doing, how we're doing it and make recommendations for improvement," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President Stan Deal.
The first stand down will occur at the Renton, Washington-area factory where the 737 is built. All other Boeing commercial production facilities and fabrication sites will have stand downs over the next few weeks, Boeing said.
Boeing announced it would hold sessions with workers on Jan. 16 as part of a larger list of actions it is taking after the grounding of a portion of the 737 MAX 9 fleet earlier this month following a mid-air cabin panel blowout on an Alaska Airlines (ALK.N), opens new tab jet.

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#900 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:45 pm

FAA taking ‘direct inspection approach’ in Boeing 737 Max 9 crisis, chief says

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/24/boeing- ... ntrol.html

WASHINGTON — The Federal Aviation Administration has “boots on the ground” at Boeing’s 737 Max factory — and will keep them there until the agency is convinced the manufacturer’s quality control system is working, FAA Administrator Mike Whitaker told CNBC.

The FAA earlier in January said it will audit Boeing’s Max production line, after an almost brand-new Boeing 737 Max 9′s door plug blew out on an Alaska Airlines
flight at 16,000 feet, exposing passengers to a force so powerful it sucked out seatbacks and headrests, according to federal investigators.

No one was seriously injured on the flight, and no one had been seated next to the gaping hole left by the blowout. The FAA grounded that model of Boeing’s best-selling 737 Max a day after the accident and later said it will increase oversight of the company’s production lines.

“We’ve got a lot of inspectors on the ground, visually inspecting the aircraft as it comes through,” Whitaker said Tuesday in an interview at FAA headquarters. “We’re shifting from more of an audit approach to a direct inspection approach.”

The scale of such a review is a challenge, Whitaker said, citing the manpower required to conduct that many inspections. The FAA has dispatched a “couple of dozen” inspectors, he said.

“Until we’re comfortable that the [quality assurance] system is working properly ... we’re going to have boots on the ground,” he said.

Both Alaska and United Airlines
said they found loose bolts on several Max 9 planes during preliminary inspections.

Return to service
The FAA is working with Boeing and airlines on inspection instructions that would pave the way for the 737 Max 9 to return to service. Whitaker, who is three months into the FAA’s top job, declined to comment on when he expected the planes to return to service.

“It’s been difficult to predict, so we’ve sort of stopped trying,” he said. “But as soon as we get it sorted out it’ll be up again.”

Though safety inspections were initially estimated to take between four and eight hours per plane, Whitaker said they’ve “been longer than that.”

“We’ve required a lot of measurements,” he said. “Once the area’s exposed, we want to understand bolt tensions and gaps and things of that nature. So we’ve required more data than would normally be the case because we really wanted to understand the issue.”

United, which has 79 Boeing 737 Max 9 planes in its fleet, more than any other carrier, said Monday it’s assuming the planes will remain grounded through the end of January. The carrier is forecasting an adjusted loss of as much as 85 cents per share this quarter as a result.

United CEO Scott Kirby on Tuesday expressed frustration at Boeing and its repeated production issues and delays. He said United is taking the larger variant, the 737 Max 10, out of its fleet plans, because of lengthy delivery delays. The FAA hasn’t yet certified that plane, nor has it certified the 737 Max 7, a smaller model that Southwest Airlines
is awaiting.

Boeing scrutiny
The accident on Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 is the latest and most serious in a string of apparent production flaws at Boeing, which has been trying to clean up a reputation for quality that was tarnished by two deadly crashes about five months apart. Those accidents involved the 737 Max 8, a smaller variant of the same aircraft family. A worldwide grounding of both the Max 8 and Max 9 began to lift about four years ago.

Alaska Airlines CEO Ben Minicucci told NBC News on Tuesday that the door-plug blowout was “unacceptable out of the factory” and that the carrier is adding additional staff for oversight on the production line to make sure there is “a second set of eyes to look at those critical areas.”

Minicucci said the airline found “many” of the carrier’s Max 9 aircraft had loose bolts.

On Tuesday, Stan Deal, CEO of Boeing’s commercial airplane unit, its largest, apologized for the delays in getting its aircraft to customers.

“We have let down our airline customers and are deeply sorry for the significant disruption to them, their employees and their passengers,” he said in a written statement. “We are taking action on a comprehensive plan to bring these airplanes safely back to service and to improve our quality and delivery performance.”

Boeing is planning to pause work at several production lines for safety sessions for factory workers to “evaluate what we’re doing, how we’re doing it and make recommendations for improvement,” Deal told staff Tuesday. The sessions start Thursday at the 737 factory in Renton, Washington.

Boeing announced Jan. 16 the appointment of an independent advisor to lead a review of the Max 9 problem.

When asked whether the Max 9 crisis will mean more of a permanent change in how the FAA, which certifies Boeing’s planes, oversees the company, Whitaker said the agency is “looking at all options.”

“If there are functions that Boeing has not done appropriately, I think we’ll look at whether we should take over some of those functions or whether there’s an opportunity for a third party, a nonprofit technical organization, to provide a fresh set of eyes,” he said.

“There’s no reason to think that they can’t get back to a point where they’re meeting their quality standards and an increasing production,” Whitaker said. “But right now, we need to be assured of that.”

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