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Re: More Boeing Bad News

#181 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:32 pm

Shock horror - differences tested on real pilots before deciding whether sims are needed!
That's quite a change from deciding they don't without testing, then blaming the pilots as incompetent losers when they make mistakes.
Next thing you know, they'll be asking Boeing to test other things!!
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#182 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:28 pm

Nothing certain, but it is being discussed

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/08/business ... index.html

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#183 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:01 pm

Good news for Boeing: Iran shot it down! #:-S
Bad news for Boeing: They didn't offer missile detection and deterrence as an option! :(

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... 31d95f4e4a

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#184 Post by Rwy in Sight » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:33 pm

PHXPhlyer wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:01 pm
Good news for Boeing: Iran shot it down! #:-S
Bad news for Boeing: They didn't offer missile detection and deterrence as an option! :(

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... 31d95f4e4a

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Israelis have the option and I am sure would love it to have it installed on the incident aircraft.

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#185 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:48 pm

Boeing might want to add that to the option list. They certainly need help with additional cash-flow.

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#186 Post by Boac » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:59 pm

Ah - but can you train for it on an I-Pad?

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#187 Post by Pontius Navigator » Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:01 pm

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Boeing might want to add that to the option list. They certainly need help with additional cash-flow.

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Ukraine should be top of the list.

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#188 Post by Rwy in Sight » Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:41 pm

It seems Ukrainians have the widest experience on the subject dating back in 2001
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_A ... light_1812

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#189 Post by llondel » Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:47 pm

PHXPhlyer wrote:
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Bad news for Boeing: They didn't offer missile detection and deterrence as an option! :(
There's a version for the 747 that could probably be adapted for smaller aircraft.

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#190 Post by barkingmad » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:47 am

“Designed by clowns, supervised by monkeys”. Not a good sales pitch!

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#192 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:00 am

The dominos are beginning to fall.

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#193 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:40 am

https://www.ft.com/content/d64360f8-33c ... cf87a328f2
The crisis surrounding Boeing deepened on Friday as US politicians lined up to attack the company over the latest revelations about its safety culture, a major supplier cut thousands of staff and regulators proposed fining it over faulty parts.

Members of Congress reacted with anger to the publication of hundreds of messages in which Boeing employees mocked regulators and admitted flaws in its ill-fated 737 Max jet, which was later involved in two fatal accidents.

And as investigators pored over the latest documents, Spirit AeroSystems, one of the biggest suppliers for the Max, announced it would lay off 2,800 US workers as a result of the ongoing turmoil surrounding the jet, which has been grounded for the past 10 months.

Peter DeFazio, the Democratic chair of the House transport committee, which is investigating the two crashes, said: “These emails show that the problems at Boeing go beyond one rogue employee, and that there was a culture of concealment at the company.”
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“Now friggin Lion Air might need a sim [simulator training] to fly the MAX, and maybe because of their own stupidity. I’m scrambling to figure out how to unscrew this now! idiots.”

“This airplane is designed by clowns who in turn are supervised by monkeys.”

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#194 Post by Rwy in Sight » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:57 am

I still can't understand how monkeys smart enough to design an airplane are irresponsible enough to put those words on an e-messaging system.

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#195 Post by barkingmad » Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:26 am

RiS, the operative phrase is “smart enough”. MCAS and it’s incorporation speaks volumes about ‘smartness’.

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#196 Post by OFSO » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:27 pm

Boeing to be fined $5.4 million for knowingly installing faulty parts. Unrelated to the MCS fiasco.

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#197 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:05 pm

I already mentioned that Boeing had the same problem puting the LEAP engine on the 737, that Embraer had puting the GTF engine on the 190.
It took an entire redesign of the aircraft, in Embraers case, but somehow Boeing got by with a cludge?

You can fool the shareholders, and you can fool the FAA, but you cannot fool the air.

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#199 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:05 pm

Obscene.

I know someone that won £51m in the lottery. He used his winnings to upgrade his planned trip to NZ and bought a new home in the same village - guess he made them an offer they couldn't refuse. Other than that he carries on as before.

But these business millionaires, they just keep on digging and just earn more money than they can ever spend. Why?

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#200 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:25 pm

Pontius Navigator wrote:
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Obscene.

I know someone that won £51m in the lottery. He used his winnings to upgrade his planned trip to NZ and bought a new home in the same village - guess he made them an offer they couldn't refuse. Other than that he carries on as before.

But these business millionaires, they just keep on digging and just earn more money than they can ever spend. Why?
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