https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... raft-orderRyanair Open to Talks with Airbus on Aircraft Order
Ryanair Group CEO Michael O’Leary denied the low-cost carrier (LCC) has entered active discussions with Airbus on a large aircraft order, though he said he would be open to talks if “the price is right.” Speaking with AIN on the sidelines of the aviation summit organized by Airlines for Europe (A4E) on Tuesday in Brussels, O’Leary said Airbus had solicited the company and asked about its potential interest in single-aisle aircraft with early 2025 production slots. “They called us two weeks ago on Friday,” O’Leary said, pointing out that “it has to take a lot for Airbus to contact us.” Ryanair, Europe’s largest LCC, deploys a single Boeing 737-800 fleet fitted with 189 seats, except for its Austrian subsidiary, Laudamotion, which operates A320-200s.
O’Leary said he did not know the specifics or size of the offered production slots, noting he assumes that airlines or lessors affected by the Covid-19 virus must be canceling Airbus orders. “We told them we would be interested though only if the price is right,” he explained. “We invited them to come over. We have no news yet. It has been a week now.”
The LCC would prefer to discuss a large order because it provides for a stronger position in price negotiations, according to O’Leary. But Ryanair would be willing to “take 10 aircraft if they were cheap,” he said, asserting 10 A320-family aircraft would take care of Laudamotion’s growth next year. Plans call for Laudamotion to expand its fleet from 23 to 36 aircraft this summer, with most of that growth taking place at its main base in Vienna.
Last month, speaking during the company’s results presentation for the quarter ended December 31, O’Leary revealed Ryanair had reached out to Boeing to take on more Max jets—possibly including the largest variant, the 737 Max 10—in parallel with discussions on compensation for the late delivery of the grounded narrowbodies. Ryanair holds orders for 210 737 Max 200s.
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I guess what is bad for Boeing is also bad for the Bus company...
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I’m quite sure Airboos could deliver a few nice shiny new airframes to Dublin?
And then in classic Ryr business model fashion, they’d then charge M O’L for the updated software and for subsequent software patches and tinkering-it could be a great moneyspinner for the troubled tincutting industry?
Very similar to the joke where M O’L goes into a Dublin bar and asks for a pint of Guinness etc etc.
And then in classic Ryr business model fashion, they’d then charge M O’L for the updated software and for subsequent software patches and tinkering-it could be a great moneyspinner for the troubled tincutting industry?
Very similar to the joke where M O’L goes into a Dublin bar and asks for a pint of Guinness etc etc.
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I saw an article on youtube by 'A Boeing pilot'. In it this chap was saying that Boeings might have to make it so, that the THS can always be moved using the manual trim wheel- clearly not the case when air loads on it are too large to allow this, no matter how strong you are.
If the FAA are insisting on this, it means a complete redesign of the THS and pitch system- quite a big deal on its own.
But, if this is forced on Boeing, recertification will also be required.
He said it would be easier to crush the 800 jets and start again. Cheaper too- and it's profit that drives everything at Boing these days.
Not sure if he is correct, but an interesting take on the situation. He cites the long delay in the MAXs' return to service as proof that there's bigger troubles than are obvious.
Here's the link.
If the FAA are insisting on this, it means a complete redesign of the THS and pitch system- quite a big deal on its own.
But, if this is forced on Boeing, recertification will also be required.
He said it would be easier to crush the 800 jets and start again. Cheaper too- and it's profit that drives everything at Boing these days.
Not sure if he is correct, but an interesting take on the situation. He cites the long delay in the MAXs' return to service as proof that there's bigger troubles than are obvious.
Here's the link.
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I still maintain that re-pyloning/engining and selling as knock-down 8/900s would be a better option. I'm sure MoL could do a deal.
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Doubtless those bright young things at Boeing might even be considering that? I’ll ask my mate who’s in NAS and I believe flew the deathjet before the grounding-if he remembers the “ground skule” (CBT?) he might be able to say why or why not.
Otherwise there’s gonna be an awful lot of cheap aly saucepans and foil to console us during the lagervirus meltdown?!
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/la ... s-n1152086
Lawmakers fault FAA, Boeing for deadly 737 Max crashes
The FAA's certification review of the 737 MAX "grossly insufficient," according the preliminary investigative findings.
Image: The first Boeing 737 MAX airplane to roll off Boeing's assembly line in Renton, Wash. is shown parked Tuesday, Dec. 8, 2015 before an employee-only rollout event.
The first Boeing 737 MAX airplane to roll off Boeing's assembly line in Renton, Wash. is shown parked Tuesday, Dec. 8, 2015 before an employee-only rollout event.Ted S. Warren / AP file
March 7, 2020, 2:21 AM MST
By Reuters
A U.S. House investigative report into two fatal Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines crashes on a Boeing 737 MAX faulted the Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA) approval of the plane and Boeing's design failures, saying the flights were "doomed."
Boeing's 737 MAX has been grounded worldwide for nearly a year following the second of two crashes, one in Indonesia in October 2018 and one in Ethiopia last March, that together killed 346 people.
The preliminary investigative findings from the U.S. House Transportation Committee, released on Friday, called the FAA's certification review of the 737 MAX "grossly insufficient" and said the agency had failed in its duty to identify key safety problems.
"The combination of these problems doomed the Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines flights," the panel said in the 13-page report.
It also said Boeing's 737 MAX design "was marred by technical design failures, lack of transparency with both regulators and customers, and efforts to obfuscate information about the operation of the aircraft.
The report, which comes days ahead of the anniversary of the Ethiopian Airlines crash, adds that the findings should prompt legislative changes to address how U.S. regulators approve new aircraft for service.
The committee has been probing the crash for almost a year and received hundreds of thousands of documents and interviewed key Boeing and FAA employees in its investigation.
Boeing said it has cooperated extensively with the committee’s investigation and said it would review the report.
Lion Air crash: 'Black box' data reveals pilots' struggle to regain control of flight
NOV. 28, 201802:47
The FAA said in a statement it welcomed the report's observations and said lessons learned from the two fatal crashes "will be a springboard to an even greater level of safety."
"While the FAA’s certification processes are well-established and have consistently produced safe aircraft designs, we are a learning agency and welcome the scrutiny," the FAA said.
Ethiopia plans to release an interim report into the March 10 crash before the first anniversary, an official said last month.
A final report into the Lion Air crash released last October by Indonesia faulted Boeing's design of cockpit software on the 737 MAX but also cited errors by the airline's workers and crew.
The committee also concluded the FAA and Boeing missed "multiple red flags and clear data points” in recommending that the 737 MAX should continue to fly after the first crash.
Those decisions "gambled with the public’s safety," it said.
Boeing is facing around 100 lawsuits from families of victims of the Ethiopian crash who have questioned why the U.S.-based planemaker and authorities did not ground the MAX after the Lion Air crash.
The U.S. House panel also faulted Boeing for what it described as a "culture of concealment" for failing to disclose information to airline pilots about the 737 MAX's MCAS stall-prevention system linked to both crashes, and that a key angle-of-attack cockpit alert was "inoperable on the majority of the 737 MAX fleet."
Boeing did not tell U.S. regulators for more than a year that it inadvertently made an alarm alerting pilots to a mismatch of flight data optional on the 737 MAX, instead of standard as on earlier 737s, but has said the missing display represented no safety risk. Boeing has said it will make the feature standard before the MAX returns to service.
Erroneous data from a sensor responsible for measuring the angle at which the wing slices through the air - known as the Angle of Attack - is suspected of triggering a flawed anti-stall system that pushed the plane downward in two recent crashes.
Federal prosecutors aided by the FBI are reviewing the plane's certification as are a grand jury and the Transportation Department inspector general’s office. Several independent reviews have also faulted Boeing's design and called for improvements in how the FAA certifies new airplanes.
Representative Rick Larsen, who chairs an aviation subcommittee, said Friday's report and other independent reviews make "it abundantly clear Congress must change the method by which the FAA certifies aircraft."
Separately, the FAA on Friday proposed fining Boeing $19.7 million for allegedly installing equipment on hundreds of 737 aircraft containing sensors in heads-up displays that regulators had not approved for use.
Lawmakers fault FAA, Boeing for deadly 737 Max crashes
The FAA's certification review of the 737 MAX "grossly insufficient," according the preliminary investigative findings.
Image: The first Boeing 737 MAX airplane to roll off Boeing's assembly line in Renton, Wash. is shown parked Tuesday, Dec. 8, 2015 before an employee-only rollout event.
The first Boeing 737 MAX airplane to roll off Boeing's assembly line in Renton, Wash. is shown parked Tuesday, Dec. 8, 2015 before an employee-only rollout event.Ted S. Warren / AP file
March 7, 2020, 2:21 AM MST
By Reuters
A U.S. House investigative report into two fatal Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines crashes on a Boeing 737 MAX faulted the Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA) approval of the plane and Boeing's design failures, saying the flights were "doomed."
Boeing's 737 MAX has been grounded worldwide for nearly a year following the second of two crashes, one in Indonesia in October 2018 and one in Ethiopia last March, that together killed 346 people.
The preliminary investigative findings from the U.S. House Transportation Committee, released on Friday, called the FAA's certification review of the 737 MAX "grossly insufficient" and said the agency had failed in its duty to identify key safety problems.
"The combination of these problems doomed the Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines flights," the panel said in the 13-page report.
It also said Boeing's 737 MAX design "was marred by technical design failures, lack of transparency with both regulators and customers, and efforts to obfuscate information about the operation of the aircraft.
The report, which comes days ahead of the anniversary of the Ethiopian Airlines crash, adds that the findings should prompt legislative changes to address how U.S. regulators approve new aircraft for service.
The committee has been probing the crash for almost a year and received hundreds of thousands of documents and interviewed key Boeing and FAA employees in its investigation.
Boeing said it has cooperated extensively with the committee’s investigation and said it would review the report.
Lion Air crash: 'Black box' data reveals pilots' struggle to regain control of flight
NOV. 28, 201802:47
The FAA said in a statement it welcomed the report's observations and said lessons learned from the two fatal crashes "will be a springboard to an even greater level of safety."
"While the FAA’s certification processes are well-established and have consistently produced safe aircraft designs, we are a learning agency and welcome the scrutiny," the FAA said.
Ethiopia plans to release an interim report into the March 10 crash before the first anniversary, an official said last month.
A final report into the Lion Air crash released last October by Indonesia faulted Boeing's design of cockpit software on the 737 MAX but also cited errors by the airline's workers and crew.
The committee also concluded the FAA and Boeing missed "multiple red flags and clear data points” in recommending that the 737 MAX should continue to fly after the first crash.
Those decisions "gambled with the public’s safety," it said.
Boeing is facing around 100 lawsuits from families of victims of the Ethiopian crash who have questioned why the U.S.-based planemaker and authorities did not ground the MAX after the Lion Air crash.
The U.S. House panel also faulted Boeing for what it described as a "culture of concealment" for failing to disclose information to airline pilots about the 737 MAX's MCAS stall-prevention system linked to both crashes, and that a key angle-of-attack cockpit alert was "inoperable on the majority of the 737 MAX fleet."
Boeing did not tell U.S. regulators for more than a year that it inadvertently made an alarm alerting pilots to a mismatch of flight data optional on the 737 MAX, instead of standard as on earlier 737s, but has said the missing display represented no safety risk. Boeing has said it will make the feature standard before the MAX returns to service.
Erroneous data from a sensor responsible for measuring the angle at which the wing slices through the air - known as the Angle of Attack - is suspected of triggering a flawed anti-stall system that pushed the plane downward in two recent crashes.
Federal prosecutors aided by the FBI are reviewing the plane's certification as are a grand jury and the Transportation Department inspector general’s office. Several independent reviews have also faulted Boeing's design and called for improvements in how the FAA certifies new airplanes.
Representative Rick Larsen, who chairs an aviation subcommittee, said Friday's report and other independent reviews make "it abundantly clear Congress must change the method by which the FAA certifies aircraft."
Separately, the FAA on Friday proposed fining Boeing $19.7 million for allegedly installing equipment on hundreds of 737 aircraft containing sensors in heads-up displays that regulators had not approved for use.
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B shares down another 12% on this (and other) news.
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FAA fines Boeing for unapproved sensors on almost 800 737s
https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers ... 34.article
FAA fines Boeing for unapproved sensors on almost 800 737s
By Jon Hemmerdinger6 March 2020
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The Federal Aviation Administration has proposed a $19.7 million fine against Boeing for regulatory violations related to sensors on nearly 800 examples of the 737NG and 737 Max.
In a 6 March enforcement letter to Boeing, the FAA says sensors that feed head-up guidance systems made by Rockwell Collins, now Collins Aerospace, were not approved to work with those guidance systems.
Chicago-based Boeing says the FAA’s findings “do not involve a safety issue” and that the company has cooperated with the FAA’s investigation.
Asked if it might need to modify affected 737s, Boeing says it believes “there are no issues with the physical units” and that the fine relates only to documentation.
“Boeing certified on applications for airworthiness certificates that [the aircraft] were airworthy, when the aircraft contained sensors that were not” approved, says the FAA’s letter, addressed to Boeing vice-president of engineering for commercial airplanes Lynne Hopper.
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The 300th 737-800 delivered by Boeing to Ryanair.
The proposed fine applies to sensors feeding Collins’ 4000 series head-up guidance systems on 618 737NGs and 6000 series systems on 173 737 Max, the letter says.
“Boeing failed to verify whether the installed sensors were listed on the applicable sensor interchangeability document,” the FAA says. “Boeing presented the… 791 aircraft for airworthy when the aircraft were un-airworthy.”
Boeing says the FAA’s “findings relate to insufficient documentation to validate that improved parts that provided input to the [head-up system] complied with the Collins… certification documentation”.
“A detailed review of the… installation found the parts met or exceeded all original requirements,” it adds. “The original certification documentation was not properly updated to reflect the improved parts installed by Boeing.”
Collins declines to comment.
The FAA has given Boeing 30 days to respond.
https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers ... 34.article
FAA fines Boeing for unapproved sensors on almost 800 737s
By Jon Hemmerdinger6 March 2020
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The Federal Aviation Administration has proposed a $19.7 million fine against Boeing for regulatory violations related to sensors on nearly 800 examples of the 737NG and 737 Max.
In a 6 March enforcement letter to Boeing, the FAA says sensors that feed head-up guidance systems made by Rockwell Collins, now Collins Aerospace, were not approved to work with those guidance systems.
Chicago-based Boeing says the FAA’s findings “do not involve a safety issue” and that the company has cooperated with the FAA’s investigation.
Asked if it might need to modify affected 737s, Boeing says it believes “there are no issues with the physical units” and that the fine relates only to documentation.
“Boeing certified on applications for airworthiness certificates that [the aircraft] were airworthy, when the aircraft contained sensors that were not” approved, says the FAA’s letter, addressed to Boeing vice-president of engineering for commercial airplanes Lynne Hopper.
RyanAir 737-800. Boeing
Source: Boeing
The 300th 737-800 delivered by Boeing to Ryanair.
The proposed fine applies to sensors feeding Collins’ 4000 series head-up guidance systems on 618 737NGs and 6000 series systems on 173 737 Max, the letter says.
“Boeing failed to verify whether the installed sensors were listed on the applicable sensor interchangeability document,” the FAA says. “Boeing presented the… 791 aircraft for airworthy when the aircraft were un-airworthy.”
Boeing says the FAA’s “findings relate to insufficient documentation to validate that improved parts that provided input to the [head-up system] complied with the Collins… certification documentation”.
“A detailed review of the… installation found the parts met or exceeded all original requirements,” it adds. “The original certification documentation was not properly updated to reflect the improved parts installed by Boeing.”
Collins declines to comment.
The FAA has given Boeing 30 days to respond.
All good stuff!
We are worried about this MCAS thing but let's forget about it, eh?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... 37-max-as/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... 37-max-as/
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?Fortunately? this will have less impact at the moment https://www.reuters.com/article/us-faa- ... SKBN21039D
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I wonder how long Boeing will be willing to swim against the stream of red ink that these self induced crises have brought upon them? The economic downturn and the strictures of the airline industry in these plague ridden times may just be the catalyst for some sort of radical move or restructuring by Boeing!
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Re the Reuter’s article, does anyone know where the “crown skin” is? I trust this is not the ghost of A H F Ducommun haunting the type?
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Boeing stock tumbled further Thursday, as analysts downgraded the aerospace giant's stock on the coronavirus crisis, giving up all the gains it's seen since President Donald Trump took office in 2017.TheGreenGoblin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:22 amI wonder how long Boeing will be willing to swim against the stream of red ink ...
"With Boeing likely to burn > $5 billion of cash this year and a less certain path to recovery, given the damage that COVID-19 will do to operators, we think a dividend cut is on the table," Seifman wrote. "We understood management's prior approach to maintaining the dividend through the MAX crisis, where the cash flow turnaround was always six months away; it is less clear when and how the aviation market will recover from COVID-19."
https://www.investors.com/news/boeing-s ... -dividend/
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where do you wear yours? On yer 'ed!BM wrote:does anyone know where the “crown skin” is
https://lessonslearned.faa.gov/ll_main. ... LLTypeID=2
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If you mean the topside of the Nissan hut section I believe those components were referred to in the AHF Ducommun shambles as ‘upper fuselage hoops’. But that’s an IIRC-it’s so long since I originally fell across that scandal on a bored afternoon on “The Rock” in 2010.
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Do you mean this one - - currently 'not available' I believe in the USA in its original broadcast form - not sure about the YouTube one - don't want to frighten the horses. Interesting that Al Jazeera (English) have so much 'against' Boeing.
Not sure about the 'veracity' of the content, but I'm very glad I am not having to operate the NG in turbulence any more.
Not sure about the 'veracity' of the content, but I'm very glad I am not having to operate the NG in turbulence any more.
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That’s exactly the one. When I first stumbled across the debacle and the proposed actions by these ladies versus the BigCorp lawyers over their treatment by Boeing, there was an awful lot more info available on the ‘net.
I don’t know if various articles and publications are “disappeared” from public access deliberately or just fade away to the bottom of some lesser interest league table.
I agree with you on the desire not to spend one’s working day in a ‘NG’ aluminium balloon in turbulence when the implications of these defective parts sinks into the conscious mind.
But it also makes me think the rot which has culminated in the Max fiasco and disasters was evident in those early days of NG production and whatever ethos the Boeing company used to operate has disappeared up the discharge valves of the company management never to be seen again.
I don’t know if various articles and publications are “disappeared” from public access deliberately or just fade away to the bottom of some lesser interest league table.
I agree with you on the desire not to spend one’s working day in a ‘NG’ aluminium balloon in turbulence when the implications of these defective parts sinks into the conscious mind.
But it also makes me think the rot which has culminated in the Max fiasco and disasters was evident in those early days of NG production and whatever ethos the Boeing company used to operate has disappeared up the discharge valves of the company management never to be seen again.
