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#901 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Wed Jan 24, 2024 4:26 pm

He said United is taking the larger variant, the 737 Max 10, out of its fleet plans, because of lengthy delivery delays.
No, he didn't.
He said they'd write up an alternative plan that didn't include the Max 10 (see my earlier quote), which isn't the same thing at all.
MSM writing BS again.

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#902 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:57 am

FAA approves a path for Boeing 737 Max 9s to return to operations

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/24/business ... index.html

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Boeing CEO David Calhoun’s Wednesday was decidedly a mixed bag: The Federal Aviation Administration finally approved a set of inspection criteria for the 171 grounded 737 Max 9 planes that, if followed, could return the aircraft to service. But he also learned that his company faces yet another investigation into its safety issues.

The FAA late Wednesday opened its announcement with a stern warning: “The January 5 Boeing 737-9 Max incident must never happen again,” referring to an incident earlier this month in which part of an Alaska Airlines flight blew off in mid-air. And the FAA said it would not grant any production expansion of the 737 Max lineup while its safety probe of Boeing continues.

But the FAA cleared the way for the planes to return to the air. Airlines, especially Alaska and United, had faced hundreds of cancellations a day because of the grounding.

“The exhaustive, enhanced review our team completed after several weeks of information gathering gives me and the FAA confidence to proceed to the inspection and maintenance phase,” FAA Administrator Mike Whitaker said in a statement.

Each of the 171 grounded aircraft must be inspected, including the bolts, fittings and guide tracks for the door plug, the piece of fuselage that flew off an Alaska Airlines plane earlier this month. The process also includes tightening fasteners and performing “detailed inspections of…dozens of associated components. ”

It’s unclear how long it will take for the planes to be inspected and return to service. Earlier this week, United said it expects the planes to be grounded through the end of the month.

And Whitaker noted Boeing itself is not out of the woods.

“However, let me be clear: This won’t be back to business as usual for Boeing,” he said. “We will not agree to any request from Boeing for an expansion in production or approve additional production lines for the 737 Max until we are satisfied that the quality control issues uncovered during this process are resolved.”

Mr. Calhoun goes to Washington
Calhoun’s meeting with Washington lawmakers on Wednesday ended with a CEO’s nightmare: He was forced to defend the safety of his company’s planes to travelers, just before he learned Boeing faced yet another investigation.

“We fly safe planes,” Calhoun said to reporters assembled on Capitol Hill. “We don’t put planes in the air that we don’t have 100% confidence in.”

Calhoun acknowledged the seriousness of passengers’ concerns about flying, and he said he came to Washington in the spirit of transparency and openness to help lawmakers better understand the company’s efforts to improve safety.

“I’m here today … to answer all their questions, because they have a lot of them,” Calhoun said.

After speaking with reporters, Washington Democratic Sen. Maria Cantwell, chair of the Senate Commerce Committee, announced that she should hold a future hearing to investigate Boeing’s safety record.

“The American flying public and Boeing line workers deserve a culture of leadership at Boeing that puts safety ahead of profits,” Cantwell said in a statement. “I will be holding hearings to investigate the root causes of these safety lapses.”

Cantwell said that in her meeting with Calhoun earlier in the day, she emphasized that Boeing has to prioritize quality and engineering first. After several incidents in recent years, including this month’s Alaska Airlines incident, that commitment has become a significant question.

The National Transportation Safety Board is also investigating the incident.

A history of safety problems
Not being able to increase production of the Max is a major blow to Boeing’s efforts to return to profitability.

Boeing’s production of the 737 Max, its best selling plane, has still not returned to the rate of production that it had before two fatal crashes led to a 20-month grounding of the plane in 2019. It is not clear when it will be able to move ahead with its efforts to resume production at a more profitable pace.

Industry experts have cast serious doubt about Boeing’s ability to walk away from its investigations unscathed. Last week, a Wells Fargo report, entitled “FAA audit opens up a whole new can of worms,” noted that Boeing’s quality control and engineering problems have been ongoing for years.

“Given Boeing’s recent track record, and greater incentive for the FAA to find problems, we think the odds of a clean audit are low,” the analysts said.

A week earlier, Calhoun acknowledged the company made a “mistake” at a staff-wide safety meeting, but he did not specify what that mistake was. NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy has demanded Boeing provide answers about any mistake it made as part of its safety investigation, which is separate from the FAA’s audit.

Boeing has faced repeated quality and safety issues with its aircraft for five years now, leading to the long-term grounding of some jets and the halt in deliveries of others.

The 737 Max’s design was found to be responsible for two fatal crashes: one in Indonesia in October 2018 and the other in Ethiopia in March 2019. Together, the two crashes killed all 346 people aboard the two flights and led to a 20-month grounding of the company’s best-selling jets, which cost it more than $21 billion.

Internal communications released during the 737 Max grounding showed one employee describing the jet as “designed by clowns, who in turn are supervised by monkeys.”

Late last month, Boeing asked airlines to inspect all of their 737 Max jets for a potential loose bolt in the rudder system after an airline discovered a potential problem with a key part on two aircraft.

Its quality and engineering problems have extended beyond the 737. Boeing also had to twice halt deliveries of its 787 Dreamliner, for about a year starting in 2021 and again in 2023, due to quality concerns cited by the FAA. And the 777 jet also suffered a grounding after an engine failure on a United flight scattered engine debris onto homes and the ground below.

Two Max variants — the Max 7 and the Max 10 — are still awaiting approval to begin carrying passengers. This latest incident complicates that, Wells Fargo analysts noted.

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#903 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Jan 25, 2024 5:35 pm

Alaska Airlines and United Airlines preparing to return Boeing Max 9 jets to service
Alaska Airlines CEO Ben Minicucci told NBC News that the company's own audit team assisted with Boeing’s inspections of its aircraft to ensure quality and safety after a panel blowout midair.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/busine ... rcna135665

Alaska Airlines and United Airlines have both confirmed plans to return their fleet of Boeing Max 9 planes to service in the wake of a near-disaster that saw a door panel on an Alaska jet carrying 177 people blow out midair.

In its latest earnings report released Thursday morning, Alaska Airlines said it is preparing to complete inspections on all of its 737 Max 9 aircraft, and that each aircraft would be returned to service after its inspection had been completed and any findings resolved.

CNBC reported Thursday that Alaska Airlines indicated that Max 9 flights could resume as early as Friday, after the Federal Aviation Administration approved final inspection instructions late Wednesday that were required to return the planes to service.

United Airlines, the other major carrier that flies Max 9 jets, said Thursday that it will return the planes to service by next week.

The FAA grounded all Max 9s one day after the near-disaster over Portland, Oregon, on Jan. 5.

Alaska Airlines' schedule has remained beset by cancellations ever since; 20% of its fleet is composed of Max 9 planes. On Thursday, 22% of its flights remained canceled, according to data from FlightAware.

In an exclusive interview with NBC News senior correspondent Tom Costello, Alaska Airlines CEO Ben Minicucci said the company has sent its own audit team to assist with Boeing’s inspections of its aircraft to ensure quality and safety.

"There’s no doubt that Alaska received an airplane off the production line with a faulty door," he said.

The Seattle Times reported Wednesday that the faulty door panel appeared to have been produced at the company's Renton, Washington, facility and not — contrary to earlier reports — the responsibility of a third-party firm based in Malaysia.

The future of Boeing's entire Max production expansion is less clear after the FAA put the company's planned production increases on ice.

"This won’t be back to business as usual for Boeing," FAA Administrator Mike Whitaker said in a statement. "We will not agree to any request from Boeing for an expansion in production or approve additional production lines for the 737 Max until we are satisfied that the quality control issues uncovered during this process are resolved.”

Boeing shares have fallen 20% since the early-January incident.

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Re: More Boeing Bad News

#904 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:25 pm

127 Days The Anatomy of a Boeing Quality Failure - The Air Current

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safe ... y-failure/

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#905 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:02 pm

Senator Tammy Duckworth calls on FAA to reject Boeing's request for safety waiver for the 737 Max 7

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senator-ta ... 737-max-7/

In a letter obtained exclusively by CBS News, Democratic Sen. Tammy Duckworth of Illinois, chair of the Senate Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, demanded that the Federal Aviation Administration reject Boeing's request for a safety waiver on the so far uncertified 737 Max 7, the smallest of the four 737 Max variants.

"Boeing forfeited the benefit of the doubt long ago when it comes to trusting its promises about the safety of 737 MAX, and the FAA must reject its brazen request to cut corners in rushing yet another 737 MAX variant into service," she wrote in the letter sent late Wednesday to FAA Administrator Michael Whitaker.

The letter was penned on the same day that Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun traveled to Washington, D.C., to meet with legislators in the wake of an incident earlier this month in which the door panel of a 737 Max 9 blew off during an Alaska Airlines flight.

The FAA has grounded all 171 Boeing 737 Max 9 aircraft since the event, but announced Wednesday that it had cleared the way for the aircraft to return to service following a rigorous inspection and maintenance process.

Alaska Airlines said it expected to begin bringing its 737 Max 9 planes back into service on Friday, while United Airlines said its fleet would begin returning to service on Saturday.

The issue in Duckworth's letter centers around an anti-ice system on 737 Max engines that Boeing identified and self-reported to the FAA last year. The regulator approved Boeing's guidance to mitigate the problem on the existing fleet of Max aircraft while Boeing engineered a fix by May of 2026.

The FAA issued an Airworthiness Directive in August 2023 that it said "was prompted by a report indicating that use of engine anti-ice (EAI) in dry air for more than five minutes during certain environmental and operational conditions can cause overheating of the engine inlet inner barrel beyond the material design limit, resulting in failure of the engine inlet inner barrel and severe engine inlet cowl damage."

The FAA told airlines that pilots should limit the use of the anti-ice system to less than five minutes until Boeing's fix was available.

While the issue has never occurred in-flight, Boeing determined it was theoretically possible under specific weather conditions, and in a worst-case scenario, could result in components breaking off.


Letter From Sen. Tammy Duckworth to FAA by Faris Tanyos on Scribd
An uncontained engine failure on a previous generation Boeing 737 resulted in debris puncturing the cabin of Southwest Airlines Flight 1380 in April 2018, resulting in a passenger being partially sucked out of the plane and killed.

Boeing is seeking a limited-time exemption that would also apply to the 737 Max 7 as it goes through the certification process. The exemption would also allow Boeing to deliver the Max 7 to airlines once certified. The company has more than 4,300 orders for the 737 Max family of aircraft. The issue also exists on 737 Max 8 and Max 9 aircraft already flying.

It is a waiver Duckworth says Boeing should be denied.

"It is such a bold face attempt to put profits over the safety of the flying public," Duckworth said in an interview with CBS News. "They want a special permission to be allowed to continue to use this component with a known problem on an aircraft that has yet to be certified and allow it to be put into service. You cannot have a new baseline where we're going to certify aircraft that are not safe to fly."

Boeing declined to comment on the letter. CBS News has also reached out to the FAA for comment.

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#906 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:04 pm

Letter from Sen. Tammy Duckworth to Federal Aviation Administration Director



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#907 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:49 pm

She's not wrong.

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Re: More Boeing Bad News

#908 Post by OFSO » Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:10 am

Today's FT: Boeing shares down 25%. CEO Dave Calhoun paid $65 million in last three years.

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#909 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:57 am

1st video is Juan's analysis of Boeing vs. Spirit Aerosystems Quality Management Systems

2nd is the inspection process to return to flight.






Picked up D#1 from PHX this afternoon and there were 3 Alaska Max9s and one United parked on the ramp.
Neither airline has anything other than line maintenance on the field as far as I know.

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#910 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sun Jan 28, 2024 1:40 am

I will bet you my house that Boeing decided to call it a door opening rather than a door removal precisely so they would not have the expense and time required to complete a quality control check.
And despite it at first not appearing that Spirit was to blame, if Spirit had not screwed up the door seal installation, Boeing would not have had to open the door to fix it.

..and as for the Quality Management VP at Boeing....


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#911 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:59 am

Boeing whistleblower: Company is to blame for door plug incident
Whistleblower says Boeing to blame for Alaska Airlines door plug incident
Ex-Boeing employee says whistleblower's claims ring true to him
Former FAA adviser: I wouldn't schedule myself a flight on Max 9 or Max 8

https://www.newsnationnow.com/travel/bo ... -incident/

(NewsNation) — An anonymous whistleblower, claiming to be a Boeing employee, recently said the company is to blame for the Alaska Airlines door plug incident, an assessment two experts NewsNation talked to agree with.

It was a terrifying moment for those on board when a plug covering an unused exit door blew off a Boeing 737 Max jetliner as it flew above Oregon. The jet had to make an emergency landing, but no serious injuries were reported.

Now, the whistleblower says it was Boeing, and not its supplier, Spirit Aerosystems, that incorrectly installed the piece that blew off. Boeing, they said, had reinstalled the panel after it was removed for repair.

Writing in an aviation blog, the whistleblower said that “the reason the door blew off is stated in black and white in Boeing’s own records.”

“It is also very, very stupid and speaks volumes about the quality culture at certain portions of the business,” the whistleblower said.

The self-described Boeing employee said four bolts, which help keep the door in place in flight, were “not installed when Boeing delivered the airplane” and that the company’s own records reflect this.

For Ed Pierson, a former senior manager of the Boeing 737 program, this account rings true.

“When I read that report, something jumped out at me right away with the systems that the person mentioned and the language that that individual used,” Pierson told NewsNation. “That person clearly understood how those systems were used and the types of information that you would find in those reports, so it definitely seemed credible to me.”

Everything Pierson read in the blog comment was “completely consistent” with what he said he saw when he worked at Boeing.

“We’ve had employees rushed to get jobs done, and they make mistakes, and this kind of a serious accident can occur,” Pierson said.

Today, Pierson is the executive director of the Foundation for Aviation Safety. He says what Boeing’s doing should not be acceptable to people.

“They should demand a much more exhaustive look — Congress is asking for additional investigations,” he said. “There’s a lot that needs to be answered before we can say good to go.”

A veteran safety engineer for the Federal Aviation Administration, Joe Jacobsen, is also sounding the alarm. Jacobsen, who spent 26 years with the FAA, confirmed that the whistleblower’s comment sounded consistent with what he’d been hearing from others.

“There’s a chaotic factory right now, and things are bound to get missed if people don’t pay attention and stop and reorganize,” Jacobsen said.

Why all the chaos? At the end of the day, Jacobsen said, “It’s about getting airplanes out the day, as quickly as they can” and ramping up production.

Pierson, meanwhile, says Boeing’s central problem is leadership.

“It comes down to: are people properly supported, properly trained? Are they given the necessary resources to do their job properly?” he asked.

Jacobsen, who now also works with the Foundation for Aviation Safety, says the organization has been tracking many problems with brand-new airplanes. Stabilizer trim motor failures, dual fight management computer failures and engine anti-ice systems that can overheat and damage the engine inlet’s structure are some of them.

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“We’re kind of in a whack-a-mole situation,” Jacobsen said. So, he says, he would advise companies to stop, reorganize, fix the problems and “slow down.”

The public, Jacobsen said, needs to know that there are a lot of problems at Boeing that need to be resolved.

“We can’t just keep flying these things, or we’ll have another accident,” he said.

Boeing told NewsNation in a statement that as the agency responsible for investigating the incident, only the National Transportation Safety Board can release information about the investigation.

“We will defer to them for any information,” a spokesperson said.

Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun was on Capitol Hill Wednesday, where he met with lawmakers. He said the company believes in its airplanes.

“We feel they are safe airplanes,” Calhoun said.

On Thursday, Calhoun walked out of a meeting with senators without answering reporters’ questions.

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, though, said they spent an hour talking about what went wrong.

“This accident is deeply disturbing,” Cruz said. “It’s a miracle no one was killed. Had it occurred at a higher altitude, every person on that plane would have been killed.”

In the meantime, the FAA just came out and said it’s clearing a way to get these planes back in the sky.

As a former FAA adviser, Jacobsen doesn’t think this is a good idea.

“I think I think they need to take a pause on not only the Max 9, but also the Max 8,” Jacobsen cautioned. “I think we just need to pause and figure out where we are.”

Right now, Jacobsen said, he would not schedule himself a flight on either jet.

“I’ve told my family for the last three years really to avoid the Maxes until this stuff gets sorted out and still, it is not sorted out, so that that would be my message to people.”


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#912 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sun Jan 28, 2024 3:05 am

From the blog mentioned above:

“Unplanned” removal, installation inspection procedure at Boeing


https://leehamnews.com/2024/01/15/unpla ... ent-509962

Jan. 15, 2024, © Leeham News: It’s not supposed to happen.

The door plug on the Boeing 737-9 MAX isn’t supposed to separate from the airplane in flight, as it did on Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 on Jan. 5 this year.

There is conflicting reporting whether the emergency exit or door plug is opened on the Boeing 737 final assembly line for access to the interior. Examining Google images, two photos show the exit or plug closed while over-wing exits are open. Credit: Unknown.
The investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is in its infancy. Early evidence suggests four bolts intended to prevent the door plug from shifting in its attachment brackets either failed or weren’t installed. Inspections after the 1282 incident by Alaska, and United Airlines found loose bolts in other MAX 9s. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on Jan. 6 grounded the 171 MAX 9s operated by the two carriers until inspections and repairs, if needed, are completed.

Boeing CEO David Calhoun, while telling CNBC that he wasn’t pointing fingers, did precisely that. He said Spirit AeroSystems had a “quality escape,” adding that Boeing failed to catch it, so it also had a quality escape.

How could this happen? The NTSB probe will presumably figure this out. Spirit ships the 737-9 fuselages with the door plug installed. Conflicting reporting suggests that Spirit is supposed to install the door plugs in the final, secure condition; or these are shipped with the plugs in place but in a condition that Boeing would later secure. The NTSB will sort this out, too.

Regardless, Boeing should have inspected the door plugs and assured these are in final condition prior to delivery. The Seattle Times reported on Jan. 14 that contrary to other reports, Boeing doesn’t open or remove the door plug when the MAX 9 is in final assembly. A retired Boeing safety employee with assembly line experience says Spirit ships the door plugs in a temporary condition, expecting that Boeing may remove them during final assembly.


Special inspection procedure of the door plug
LNA outlined Boeing’s inspection procedures in a Jan. 8 post. In the event, for whatever reason, Boeing does open or remove the door plug, there is a special procedure that should be followed to ensure the plug is properly reinstalled.

Here is that procedure.

The quality escapes referred to by Calhoun are inspection procedures. Failing to catch something in an inspection is also called an inspection escape.

What is outlined below is a theory, and not proven fact with the MAX 9 involved, or others in which discrepancies have been found. This procedure is related detailing Boeing’s procedure, just as LNA’s Jan. 8 post outlined procedures.

If Boeing, for any reason, removed the door plug on Alaska’s MAX 9, failure to reinstall the plug properly may not be an inspection escape. An inspection escape means that a planned installation/re-installation operation was inspected, and the mechanic and inspector got it wrong. While not impossible, this is a tough theory to accept, given the four-step inspection process outlined in the Jan. 8 post.

On the other hand, unplanned removal and installation calls for another procedure.

Boeing goes to great lengths to document unplanned removals by logging all the disassembly steps on the ship’s record paper. Quality Assurance inspects the reassembly process of the unplanned removal event. This door plug’s poor installation could, in theory, be the result of a production shortcut where the shop needed the door out of the way. The door could have been reinstalled incorrectly. The retired Boeing safety employee says the door plugs are often removed.

Unplanned removals happen “a lot,” the retired Boeing employee told LNA. “There are a multitude of reasons,” he said.

Cost-cutting on inspectors; new workforce
If the unplanned removal proves to hold water, and as noted, this is only hypothesis, then how could the inspection process break down? And how could experienced assembly line workers miss either escapes from Spirit or reinstalling the door plug properly?

The roots may go back years.

Under the regime of former CEO Dennis Muilenburg, quality inspectors were laid off and their duties assigned to others. Boeing’s touch-labor union, the IAM 751, protested that this was unsafe. The protests largely fell on deaf ears.

“I don’t call them quality escapes anymore. I call them safety escapes because Boeing doesn’t have a quality organization anymore,” the retired Boeing safety employee said. A procedure called “Quality Buyback” has been reduced over the years, he said.

In its May 2019 Aero Mechanic employee newsletter, the IAM 751 wrote that it continued to object to Boeing’s plan to eliminate quality assurance inspectors. The union vowed to have its members “reveal instances where Boeing is not following its own internal process.”

“Removing inspections and discovering defects further down line will cause an abundance of out-of-sequence work, [and] more damage to the airplane through rework….”

“We have engaged…in what we see as a long battle to protect the integrity of our manufacturing process,” the union wrote in its newsletter.

When the MAX was grounded in May 2019 for what would be 21 months, Boeing laid off many of its final assembly line workers. When the COVID-19 pandemic began in May 2020, Boeing laid off or offered early retirement to thousands or workers company wide, including more from the 737 FAL.

When production resumes in May 2021, ahead of the recertification the following November, Boeing had to hire new employees without FAL experience. A learning curve is necessary for efficient production.

Returning the MAX 9 to service
The FAA grounded the US MAX 9s on Jan. 6. Some other airlines followed the FAA’s lead. Initially, it was thought that inspecting the door plugs and making any fixes would be a quick process. But more than a week later, the FAA was still requiring details from Boeing and that 40 inspections and repairs (if required) would have to be completed before return to service was approved.

Why is the FAA being so slow? There are a couple of theories.

The first is that the incident involves Boeing and the MAX. The FAA was burned by the certification process of the MAX in the beginning, which was revealed during the 2019 grounding and accident investigations of Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines. One theory suggests that the FAA isn’t going to get burned again.

It’s common knowledge within the airline community that the relationship between Boeing and the FAA has never recovered from the original MAX crisis. The FAA removed authority from Boeing to certify new MAXes as airworthy. The FAA must sign off on each delivery. This hand slapping was later extended to the 787 when production and quality problems were discovered at the Charleston final assembly line.

Certifying the MAX 7 and 10
Recertifying the MAX after the crash-related groundings proved to be an arduous process. So is certification of the MAX 7, which otherwise is ready to go, and the MAX 10, for which flight testing is in its early stages. But certification of the MAX 7 has taken far longer than anyone expected.

The FAA asks questions and Boeing responds. This generates more questions and more responses. And the cycle repeats, over and over again. Shortly before the Alaska incident, Boeing asked for an exemption for the MAX 7 from a safety regulation. Doubts already existed whether the FAA would grant the exemption. Now, doing so seems unlikely.

Another theory why the FAA is moving slowly on the MAX 9 is, perhaps unsurprisingly, politics. Some members of Congress were quick to demand hearings about the FAA oversight of Boeing, again. The FAA has, once more, come under criticism for its handling of the entire MAX history.

The FAA launched a formal investigation into the MAX 9 incident, in parallel to that of the NTSB.

The FAA is also expected to receive this month a draft of a safety audit authorized during the original MAX crisis. Members of the special committee included experts from across aviation. LNA has learned that the draft conclusions won’t be favorable to Boeing. There is no public release date of this report that’s been announced.

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#913 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sun Jan 28, 2024 3:20 am

He said Spirit AeroSystems had a “quality escape,” adding that Boeing failed to catch it, so it also had a quality escape.
This is not true, as Juan describes it.
Boeing did catch the Spirit mistake. They then made a different mistake with the fix.

What Boeing has done is assumed that their fixes cannot themselves have mistakes. This is dangerously wrong, and against all the aviation engineering procedures I am familiar with.

I'd also like to pick up Juan's mentioning of shift changes during the process. What kind of procedures does Boeing have for paperwork between shifts that would have enabled the oncoming shift to know that the door plug bolts had not yet been refitted? And, indeed, what procedures did they have for storing the removed bolts, so that it would be obvious to the final overall inspector that there were parts left over? Personally, I push removed parts into a piece of cardboard, then I check at the end that there's nothing left in the cardboard. If I can do this fixing, as I am at the moment, a table saw, I should think Boeing could manage it with an airliner.

The FAA review of Boeing's quality management system will probably be quite short.
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#914 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:16 pm

The bolts did not come loose. The bolts were not there.
They were not refitted after the door seal was (re)installed at Renton. Any of them.

So, one asks the question again about screwed-up systems..what else have they forgotten?

And the simple answer is...we'll find out!
Or to be exact, another bunch of people flying in a Boeing will find out..and maybe some more people under them when they do.

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#915 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:55 pm

Sen. Duckworth's letter has achieved its aim.
Boeing have withdrawn their request for a Max 7 waiver

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 024-01-29/

So Congress is now doing the FAA's job.
Wonder how long the current FAA Director will last?

..and for those who are unfamiliar with Sen. Duckworth, and why she doesn't take any sh!t from anyone...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Duckworth

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#916 Post by PHXPhlyer » Tue Jan 30, 2024 4:57 pm

A classic quote from the Reuters article:

DUCKWORTH, CALHOUN CONFER
U.S. Senator Tammy Duckworth, who leads the Senate Commerce Committee's aviation safety subcommittee, said last week she requested that Boeing withdraw the exemption request during a meeting with CEO Calhoun.

Calhoun called Duckworth about the withdrawal decision, she said in a Monday evening interview with Reuters, adding that he thanked her for pushing the company to do "what is absolutely the right thing to do."
Duckworth called the withdrawal "probably a tough decision for the shareholders and but also the right decision for the people who will be flying as passengers on the aircraft."

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Re: More Boeing Bad News

#917 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:57 pm

If it is "what is absolutely the right thing to do", then one has to ask why Calhoun asked for the opposite.
Basic logic would imply the waiver request was, by Calhoun's admission, absolutely the wrong thing to do.

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Re: More Boeing Bad News

#918 Post by PHXPhlyer » Fri Feb 02, 2024 5:43 pm

Boeing 737 Max-7/-10 Certification HALTED!

From Juan:




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Re: More Boeing Bad News

#919 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:16 pm

Logically, the rest of the MAX fleet should be grounded until the fix is in.
However, this might be an ELE for Boeing.
Safety vs Money again.

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#920 Post by llondel » Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:51 pm

The flying public need to vote with their wallets and refuse to fly on a MAX aircraft.

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