Overrun at Liverpool

[TheGreenGoblin]

Updates as Liverpool John Lennon Airport has grounded flights and closed its runway after a private jet skidded off the runway this morning.

A spokesman for the Speke-based airport said: "I can confirm that around 6am a private business jet with four people on board - three crew and a passenger landed OK but then came off onto the grass. For whatever reason it has skidded off the runway.

"There are no injuries but because of where it has ended up we have had to close the runway. Passengers are advised to check with their airlines before travelling."

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... d-17398176

[Ex-Ascot]

EGGP 110050Z 22010KT 9999 BKN033 07/04 Q1004 Sorry GG couldn't resist it.

[Boac]

Is it up on blocks with the wheels missing..................?

Tricky weather................

[TheGreenGoblin]

EGGP 110050Z 22010KT 9999 BKN033 07/04 Q1004 Sorry GG couldn't resist it.

It wouldn't be the same without a Metar!

[barkingmad]

Whilst the delayed pax are fuming in the terminal are the airport management playing the John Lennon song “Watching the Wheels” from ‘Double Fantasy’.
I think we should be told.........

[Woody]

I thought that you meant the Derby last week

[Woody]

Oops

Flights have been cancelled after a private plane came off the runway at Liverpool John Lennon Airport.
The airport is expected to be closed until 17:00 GMT and an inquiry has been launched into what happened when the plane landed at about 06:00.
Four people were on board the plane but no-one was hurt, a spokesman for the airport has confirmed.
A source at Liverpool Football Club confirmed the private jet was carrying one of the club's owners, Mike Gordon.
Mr Gordon, who is the president of Fenway Sports Group, was on a flight from Bedford, Massachusetts to Liverpool to attend a regular meeting at the club.

[Undried Plum]

Whilst the delayed pax are fuming in the terminal are the airport management playing the John Lennon song “Watching the Wheels” from ‘Double Fantasy’.
I think we should be told.........

The theme music for that terminal is Imagine no possessions.

[barkingmad]

Time we had another METAR, if only from somewhere? There may be a Yellow Submarine interested.......

[Capetonian]

Why has nobody had the courage to Speke out about this?

[ian16th]

I still have the opinion that if you are going to name an airport after a person, that person should have made a significant contribution to aviation.

I was always happy with Jan Smuts International.

[Ex-Ascot]

Once had to divert on a Royal Flight into Speke. Suitcase on the runway! They blew it up. Knickers and bras all down the Mersey for weeks. Can't remember where we went into but it was a made up SRA from an adjacent airfield's radar. Make up your own MDH. The principal pax said it was all very exciting to suddenly see trees whistling past the windows. We requested that she did not repeat that to anyone.

[PHXPhlyer]

Ex-A:
Decode please:
SRA
MDH

PP

[barkingmad]

SRA=Survellance Radar Approach. You’re given headings to track the centreline and advisory heights/altitudes for range from touchdown,

MDH=Minimum Descent Height. Using height above runway threshold, not mean sea level as in altitude. Your own company’s or military force’s published minima. A height below which you may NOT descend as opposed to a Minimum Decision Height where you could look for visual runway reference(s) and make the go-around decision and sink slightly below it before thrust and pitch changed the flight path to a climb.

That’s from what remains of my aviation memory!

[PHXPhlyer]

BM:

Thanks.
Here in the colonies it is an ASR.
DH instead of MDH.
English vs. English.

PP

[barkingmad]

Memory fail by me PHXP, yes decision is just that so my error, there’s DH and MDH. Duh, I’ve been away from the seat too long but no regrets-there is life after aviating!

[PHXPhlyer]

There is life after aviating!
I Hope so!
Just got fired for having a birthday. Not a happy one!

PP

[Rwy in Sight]

BM:

Thanks.
Here in the colonies it is an ASR.
DH instead of MDH.
English vs. English.

PP

And how ASR compares to a GCA?

[PHXPhlyer]

Same, I think.
PAR - Precision Radar Approach - a bit different. Mostly at military fields. Only done a few many decades ago.

PP

[barkingmad]

Someone somewhere will have a dusty old tome holding up a broken table leg which contains the definitions written in proper aviation English language. IIRC the military one might have been JSP318.

Thread drift alert! Why is it so difficult these e-days to quickly source info regarding flying things? In my last season on the ‘NG’ everything you wanted to know but were too afraid to ask was buried somewhere in a company laptop which took forever to find the answer.

By the time the yoof in the RHS had got the relevant info, usually something tech, I’d already found a comprehensive and comprehensible answer in my copy of “Bulfer” carried for such occasions. I have always wondered if the current fad for everything being buried in an e-reference makes any difference when things are happening rapidly and fairly quick reference is needed?

Allegedly there is recent research which shows even the yoof learn more and better when working off paper than off a screen so the passion for e-pubs is purely at the request of the beancounters. Please don’t raise the issue of weight of pubs on the flight deck-watching some of the current crop of crew waddling through an airport these days invalidates that case!

Obviously we still had the QRH for some events, usually the tech query arose as a result of some non-urgent warning light or a flt deck discussion which strayed from CC vital statistics into the realms of aviation and the current aircraft.

And of course hidden in our own brains but instantly accessible is the good old-fashioned gross error check for weight versus Vspeeds, a technique which never seemed to be taught by LTCs but would have kept loads of aircraft out of the smoking hole.

But this is only the opinion of a grumpy old git who’s still attempting transition from Windoze to Mac......

(Don’t panic, NOT THAT sort of transition). Back to my darkened kennel.