Pegasus the winged horse?
Pegasus the winged horse?
Nasty accident at Istanbul but reportedly, amazingly, no fatalities.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4d2e6a8d&opt=0
I'll leave someone else to post the METAR but merely 'observe' the choice of runway..............
http://avherald.com/h?article=4d2e6a8d&opt=0
I'll leave someone else to post the METAR but merely 'observe' the choice of runway..............
Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
Turkish aviation has a poor safety record, and looking at some of the incidents that Pegasus has had over the last few years, poor airmanship seems to be a factor. It is probably a miracle that they have had no fatalities (hopefully today's crash will not have had any fatalities, although injuries are reported).
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Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
This what you meant?
LTFJ 051550Z 27013KT 240V300 9999 -SHRA BKN030 BKN070 10/08 Q0993 RETSRA NOSIG=
LTFJ 051537Z 29018KT 9999 -SHRA FEW025CB BKN036 BKN070 10/08 Q0992 RETSRA NOSIG=
LTFJ 051520Z 29022G37KT 240V330 7000 -TSRA FEW017CB BKN025 BKN070 11/09 Q0992 RESHRA NOSIG=
LTFJ 051450Z VRB08G18KT 9999 -SHRA FEW025CB BKN036 BKN070 12/09 Q0990 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051420Z 32018KT 290V350 7000 -SHRA FEW025CB BKN036 BKN080 13/10 Q0989 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051404Z 33013KT 300V360 9999 -SHRA BKN036 BKN080 13/10 Q0988 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051350Z 01011KT 9999 BKN040 BKN080 14/11 Q0987 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051320Z 06007KT 020V090 9999 SCT040 BKN090 16/10 Q0987 RESHRA BECMG 23012KT=
LTFJ 051250Z 12004KT 070V170 9999 -SHRA SCT040 BKN080 19/08 Q0987 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051220Z 15006KT 100V170 9999 SCT040 BKN080 19/08 Q0988 NOSIG=
Related NOTAMs:
A0743/20 NOTAMN
Q) LTBB/QMRLC/IV/NBO/A /000/999/4054N02919E005
A) LTFJ B) 2002051531 C) 2002051730
LTFJ 051550Z 27013KT 240V300 9999 -SHRA BKN030 BKN070 10/08 Q0993 RETSRA NOSIG=
LTFJ 051537Z 29018KT 9999 -SHRA FEW025CB BKN036 BKN070 10/08 Q0992 RETSRA NOSIG=
LTFJ 051520Z 29022G37KT 240V330 7000 -TSRA FEW017CB BKN025 BKN070 11/09 Q0992 RESHRA NOSIG=
LTFJ 051450Z VRB08G18KT 9999 -SHRA FEW025CB BKN036 BKN070 12/09 Q0990 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051420Z 32018KT 290V350 7000 -SHRA FEW025CB BKN036 BKN080 13/10 Q0989 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051404Z 33013KT 300V360 9999 -SHRA BKN036 BKN080 13/10 Q0988 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051350Z 01011KT 9999 BKN040 BKN080 14/11 Q0987 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051320Z 06007KT 020V090 9999 SCT040 BKN090 16/10 Q0987 RESHRA BECMG 23012KT=
LTFJ 051250Z 12004KT 070V170 9999 -SHRA SCT040 BKN080 19/08 Q0987 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051220Z 15006KT 100V170 9999 SCT040 BKN080 19/08 Q0988 NOSIG=
Related NOTAMs:
A0743/20 NOTAMN
Q) LTBB/QMRLC/IV/NBO/A /000/999/4054N02919E005
A) LTFJ B) 2002051531 C) 2002051730
Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
Knew we could rely on you, PN
Since you mention it, a potential 37k-t tailwind on a wet runway in a thunderstorm.........gotta be a cracker!
Since you mention it, a potential 37k-t tailwind on a wet runway in a thunderstorm.........gotta be a cracker!
Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
For BM, who will just lap this up..... (ADSB data I assume)
Touchdown 3300 feet before wet runway end (9300ft+ runway) with a GROUND SPEED of 194kts and didn't stop? No sh!t, Sherlock.
Touchdown 3300 feet before wet runway end (9300ft+ runway) with a GROUND SPEED of 194kts and didn't stop? No sh!t, Sherlock.
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Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
What's the question?"Mode-S reading 1500 feet/661 feet AGL at 194 knots over ground, touched down about abeam taxiways T/F (about 1950 meters/6400 feet past the threshold, about 1000 meters/3300 feet before the runway end) at about 130 knots over ground, overran the end of the runway at about 63 knots over ground.."
Something about a kebab, perhaps?
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Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
By the passengers? Or by the cabin crew?
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I can only say that the evacuation must have been well executed and the ground services must have performed well, thus limiting the number of casualties.
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Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
Correct, YAM ! ! ! I trust they were carrying the appropriate extra bernoullis? And so it goes on.
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I think, even with a potential 37kts up the chuff, you can relax there!
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Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
NG tailwind limit was max 15kts, upped from 10kts if the company paid Mr Boing for the relevant piece of paper.
37kts seems OTT.
Progress page 2 was invaluable when funny winds were in force, but if it’s not SOP then it’s not common sense & airmanship....
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37kts seems OTT.
Progress page 2 was invaluable when funny winds were in force, but if it’s not SOP then it’s not common sense & airmanship....
OMG, I’ve just used that forbidden word! Please forgive me!
Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
I think Pegasus got "airmansh!t".
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Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
- certainly is - it is enough to blow your flaps fully down on finals ..........aka a 'Texas Tailwind'.NG tailwind limit was max 15kts, upped from 10kts if the company paid Mr Boing for the relevant piece of paper.
37kts seems OTT.
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Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
The Capt should be charged. Absolutely unbelievable.
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Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
As of yesterday Boac is on my Ignore List, but another member emailed me an Avherald link out of professional interest.
I agree with Ex-A...the ‘captain’ (I use the term loosely) should be horsewhipped then shot dead. This was negligence of the grossest order. If a cadet did that in the sim he’d cop a horsewhipping then shot in the kneecaps.
The tower itself didn’t ***** the wind numbers, unlike Siem Riep who’d report a wind that calculates to only 10 T/W. Max I had was 31kt up the clack. Tower got all upset I went around and circled to land on opp runway. He got a rocket up his own clack after landing along with an Incident report to base.
Barking it’s been a bloody long time since I last flew the 737, but IIRC the w/v and arrow on the top left of the ADI (and the W/C readouts) were instantaneous from IRS 1, whereas the FMC wind was laggy due to it being a calculated mean?
I agree with Ex-A...the ‘captain’ (I use the term loosely) should be horsewhipped then shot dead. This was negligence of the grossest order. If a cadet did that in the sim he’d cop a horsewhipping then shot in the kneecaps.
The tower itself didn’t ***** the wind numbers, unlike Siem Riep who’d report a wind that calculates to only 10 T/W. Max I had was 31kt up the clack. Tower got all upset I went around and circled to land on opp runway. He got a rocket up his own clack after landing along with an Incident report to base.
Barking it’s been a bloody long time since I last flew the 737, but IIRC the w/v and arrow on the top left of the ADI (and the W/C readouts) were instantaneous from IRS 1, whereas the FMC wind was laggy due to it being a calculated mean?
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Boac was flying the Pegasus aircraft? If he was, one can understand a chap putting him on the blacklist for such an egregious landing but I don't imagine he was the culprit!
I saw an image of the aircraft in a local paper with the caption "heavy landing". Well I guess it sets a new definition for heavy....
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Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
Details are not necessary Gob for the purpose of this thread.
I have really no idea WTF causes an otherwise sane person (let alone a frigging captain!) to do something so irresponsible. The last gate for escape would’ve been during the long flare I think.
Fatigue? One would have to be shagged out as hell. I have no idea whether Peg-is-suss pushes its crew to the absolute FDPs and/or FTLs so it’s just idle speculation on my part. The findings will come out in due course.
I have really no idea WTF causes an otherwise sane person (let alone a frigging captain!) to do something so irresponsible. The last gate for escape would’ve been during the long flare I think.
Fatigue? One would have to be shagged out as hell. I have no idea whether Peg-is-suss pushes its crew to the absolute FDPs and/or FTLs so it’s just idle speculation on my part. The findings will come out in due course.
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TGG since you seem to be in the country do people make a point to judge the airline by how smooth the landing is? That would explain a lot on wasting so much of runway!
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Now reported 3 dead.
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Re: Pegasus the winged horse?
Not surprised at that after seeing a pic of the wreck. In a hell of a state for an overrun...