Pegasus the winged horse?

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Pegasus the winged horse?

#1 Post by Boac » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:56 pm

Nasty accident at Istanbul but reportedly, amazingly, no fatalities.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4d2e6a8d&opt=0

I'll leave someone else to post the METAR but merely 'observe' the choice of runway..............

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#2 Post by Capetonian » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:03 pm

Turkish aviation has a poor safety record, and looking at some of the incidents that Pegasus has had over the last few years, poor airmanship seems to be a factor. It is probably a miracle that they have had no fatalities (hopefully today's crash will not have had any fatalities, although injuries are reported).

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#3 Post by Pontius Navigator » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:09 pm

This what you meant? 👹

LTFJ 051550Z 27013KT 240V300 9999 -SHRA BKN030 BKN070 10/08 Q0993 RETSRA NOSIG=
LTFJ 051537Z 29018KT 9999 -SHRA FEW025CB BKN036 BKN070 10/08 Q0992 RETSRA NOSIG=
LTFJ 051520Z 29022G37KT 240V330 7000 -TSRA FEW017CB BKN025 BKN070 11/09 Q0992 RESHRA NOSIG=
LTFJ 051450Z VRB08G18KT 9999 -SHRA FEW025CB BKN036 BKN070 12/09 Q0990 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051420Z 32018KT 290V350 7000 -SHRA FEW025CB BKN036 BKN080 13/10 Q0989 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051404Z 33013KT 300V360 9999 -SHRA BKN036 BKN080 13/10 Q0988 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051350Z 01011KT 9999 BKN040 BKN080 14/11 Q0987 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051320Z 06007KT 020V090 9999 SCT040 BKN090 16/10 Q0987 RESHRA BECMG 23012KT=
LTFJ 051250Z 12004KT 070V170 9999 -SHRA SCT040 BKN080 19/08 Q0987 NOSIG=
LTFJ 051220Z 15006KT 100V170 9999 SCT040 BKN080 19/08 Q0988 NOSIG=

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Re: Pegasus the winged horse?

#4 Post by Boac » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:14 pm

Knew we could rely on you, PN :-bd

Since you mention it, a potential 37k-t tailwind on a wet runway in a thunderstorm.........gotta be a cracker!

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#5 Post by Boac » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:58 pm

For BM, who will just lap this up..... :)) (ADSB data I assume)

Touchdown 3300 feet before wet runway end (9300ft+ runway) with a GROUND SPEED of 194kts and didn't stop? No sh!t, Sherlock.

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#6 Post by Undried Plum » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:07 pm

"Mode-S reading 1500 feet/661 feet AGL at 194 knots over ground, touched down about abeam taxiways T/F (about 1950 meters/6400 feet past the threshold, about 1000 meters/3300 feet before the runway end) at about 130 knots over ground, overran the end of the runway at about 63 knots over ground.."
What's the question?

Something about a kebab, perhaps?

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#7 Post by Undried Plum » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:18 pm

Image

By the passengers? Or by the cabin crew?

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#8 Post by Capetonian » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:37 pm

I can only say that the evacuation must have been well executed and the ground services must have performed well, thus limiting the number of casualties.

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#9 Post by barkingmad » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:33 pm

Boac wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:58 pm
For BM, who will just lap this up..... :)) (ADSB data I assume)

Touchdown 3300 feet before wet runway end (9300ft+ runway) with a GROUND SPEED of 194kts and didn't stop? No sh!t, Sherlock.
Correct, YAM ! ! ! I trust they were carrying the appropriate extra bernoullis? And so it goes on. :O3

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#10 Post by Boac » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:53 pm

I think, even with a potential 37kts up the chuff, you can relax there!

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#11 Post by barkingmad » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:06 pm

NG tailwind limit was max 15kts, upped from 10kts if the company paid Mr Boing for the relevant piece of paper.
37kts seems OTT.

Progress page 2 was invaluable when funny winds were in force, but if it’s not SOP then it’s not common sense & airmanship....

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#12 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:48 pm

I think Pegasus got "airmansh!t". =))

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#13 Post by Boac » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:01 pm

NG tailwind limit was max 15kts, upped from 10kts if the company paid Mr Boing for the relevant piece of paper.
37kts seems OTT.
- certainly is - it is enough to blow your flaps fully down on finals :-o ..........aka a 'Texas Tailwind'.

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#14 Post by Ex-Ascot » Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:48 am

The Capt should be charged. Absolutely unbelievable.
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#15 Post by Slasher » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:27 am

As of yesterday Boac is on my Ignore List, but another member emailed me an Avherald link out of professional interest.

I agree with Ex-A...the ‘captain’ (I use the term loosely) should be horsewhipped then shot dead. This was negligence of the grossest order. If a cadet did that in the sim he’d cop a horsewhipping then shot in the kneecaps.

The tower itself didn’t ***** the wind numbers, unlike Siem Riep who’d report a wind that calculates to only 10 T/W. Max I had was 31kt up the clack. Tower got all upset I went around and circled to land on opp runway. He got a rocket up his own clack after landing along with an Incident report to base.

Barking it’s been a bloody long time since I last flew the 737, but IIRC the w/v and arrow on the top left of the ADI (and the W/C readouts) were instantaneous from IRS 1, whereas the FMC wind was laggy due to it being a calculated mean?

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#16 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:09 am

Slasher wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:27 am
As of yesterday Boac is on my Ignore List, but another member emailed me an Avherald link out of professional interest.
Boac was flying the Pegasus aircraft? If he was, one can understand a chap putting him on the blacklist for such an egregious landing but I don't imagine he was the culprit! =)) :p ;)))

I saw an image of the aircraft in a local paper with the caption "heavy landing". Well I guess it sets a new definition for heavy....
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#17 Post by Slasher » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:33 am

Details are not necessary Gob for the purpose of this thread.

I have really no idea WTF causes an otherwise sane person (let alone a frigging captain!) to do something so irresponsible. The last gate for escape would’ve been during the long flare I think.

Fatigue? One would have to be shagged out as hell. I have no idea whether Peg-is-suss pushes its crew to the absolute FDPs and/or FTLs so it’s just idle speculation on my part. The findings will come out in due course.

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#18 Post by Rwy in Sight » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:43 am

TGG since you seem to be in the country do people make a point to judge the airline by how smooth the landing is? That would explain a lot on wasting so much of runway!

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#19 Post by Boac » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:13 am

Now reported 3 dead.

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#20 Post by AtomKraft » Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:23 pm

Not surprised at that after seeing a pic of the wreck. In a hell of a state for an overrun...

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