How not to do a crosswind landing

[Boac]

https://www.airlive.net/most-impressive ... row-video/

Pick it up around 45 secs, ignore the 'commentary' and feel very sorry for the pax and the gear.

[TheGreenGoblin]

No kickee straight! That BFGoodrich landing gear must be formidable.

https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... 0-aircraft

[Boac]

That pilot must be a bit behind the 8-ball! PS PR prefer it if we don't say 'kick'.... 'ease'??

[TheGreenGoblin]

That pilot must be a bit behind the 8-ball! PS PR prefer it if we don't say 'kick'.... 'ease'??

Gentle but firm application of the appropriate pedal in perfect synchronization. All done with the subtlety of a dancer...

[Boac]

You've got it! A natural!!

[Ex-Ascot]

No, not impressed by that. Bloody lucky. Bet it was a rag head Capt. As GG says incredible landing gear.

[AtomKraft]

Santa Maria.....!

Big gust right at the end which would have sent most of us around..

Didn't see any attempt at reducing the crab, or transitioning to a bit of wing down- which probably isn't an approved technique on the whale.
Maybe the wet runway allowed a bit of skidding, or maybe that gear is completely bulletproof. Either way, I hope he doesn't make a habit of this!

[Ex-Ascot]

I couldn't see the video yesterday only the photo. Now seen it. If I was the chief pilot that would be one captain less. News is talking about the skill of the two pilots.

[llondel]

To quote Napoleon: "But is he lucky?"

[ribrash]

I think this is the same plane.Doesn't look as bad on the cabin camera.

[Boac]

Somewhat re-assuring is the reported comment from Etihad's meme to pilots
“This official view from the Training Department is a simple one – THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. There is a time to give an approach away in the interest of safety”

NB Surprisingly no reported comment on 'technique'? Mind you, the Boeing FTM says you can land a 737 with full drift without harm.

[probes]

Well, it didn't bump into anything (big), did it?
Anyways, I misread it as 'crossword landing'.
Cheered up somewhat by Zorbas, though.

[llondel]

The cabin camera, with the timing of the banging and expletives suggests that it was pretty much going straight when it hit the ground.

I do like the nice touch of asking for feedback just after it's hit the tarmac.

I'm also not convinced it's the same flight because looking at the outside video of the landing, that one definitely was not pointing straight when it hit the ground and if anything crabbed a bit more at the very last before impact.

[TheGreenGoblin]

Well, it didn't bump into anything (big), did it?
Anyways, I misread it as 'crossword landing'.
Cheered up somewhat by Zorbas, though.

Any landing you can walk away from and all that!

The Zorba dance thing also allows the awful pun, "just how much punishment can the undercarriage ab-Zorba?"

These days, many years later, in another craft I am learning to dance all over again. "Light and squeezy, light and squeezy does it?"

Or as Captain Slasher might have opined...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwxIY3E6Af0

followed by "that was a peach of a landing"...

Two copies of this classic to the pilots...

RIP Alan Bramson now kicking sense into lazy legged students in a better place

[TheGreenGoblin]

Further to Boac's post above...

... the contents of a leaked memo that was sent out by Etihad’s pilot training department to pilots following this video going viral. The memo was sent out by Etihad’s manager of pilot training for the Boeing fleet (which seems odd — the plane in question is an Airbus).

The memo references “a video this week of one of our A380s landing in a strong crosswind in London,” and states the following with regards to it:

“This official view from the Training Department is a simple one – THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. There is a time to give an approach away in the interest of safety.

If you see such a thing in the sim (aircraft simulator) that would be a grade 1 for both pilots… Please gentlemen, let’s teach our pilots to operate safely even that means changing the mission.”

Ouch! Beyond that, I also find it inappropriate that he refers to pilots as “gentlemen.” C’mon, you should know better than that…

Yep, women are equally capable of making a bad crosswind landing...

The source of this news then rather blots its copy book by noting the following...

Etihad doesn’t seem to be alone in criticizing this landing. I enjoy reading PPRuNe, essentially a forum for pilots. Of course anyone can participate and you can’t know for sure that everyone is who they say they are, though it has tons of airline pilots.

https://onemileatatime.com/etihad-a380- ... d-landing/

An acquaintance of mine poles these whales around for fun (and money) and I have asked him for the Airbus gen. on the x-wind landing in same but he is staying remarkably shtum. I wonder...

[TheGreenGoblin]

Some interesting reading here (see Frank CHAPMAN - Experimental Test Pilot
Airbus Crosswind Development and Certification

Airbus Safety First Magazine

Extract from A380 FCTM information on lateral and directional control (all Airbus programs share the same philosophy):

The recommended de-crab technique is to use the following: • The rudder to align the aircraft with the runway heading during the flare • The roll control, if needed, to maintain the aircraft on the runway centerline. The flight crew should counteract any tendency to drift downwind by an appropriate lateral(roll) input on the sidestick. In the case of strong crosswind during the de-crab phase, the PF should be prepared to add small bank angle into the wind to maintain the aircraft on the runway centerline. The flight crew can land the aircraft with a partial de-crab (i.e. a residual crab angle up to about 5 deg) to prevent an excessive bank. This technique prevents wing tip or engine nacelle strike caused by an excessive bank angle. Therefore it is wise to know what the maximum bank angle is during the flare phase for the type you are flying so as to ensure no such strikes. As a consequence, this can result in touching down with some bank angle into the wind, therefore, with the upwind landing gear first.

Fill yer boots...

Emirates FCTM

In the case of strong crosswind during the de-crab phase, the PF should be prepared to add small
bank angle into the wind to maintain the aircraft on the runway centerline. The flight crew can land
the aircraft with a partial de-crab (i.e. a residual crab angle up to about 5 °) to prevent an excessive
bank. This technique prevents wing tip or engine nacelle strike caused by an excessive bank angle.
As a consequence, this can result in touching down with some bank angle into the wind, therefore,
with the upwind landing gear first.

[Boac]

tgg - that is 'standard' crosswind technique as taught for decades.

[TheGreenGoblin]

tgg - that is 'standard' crosswind technique as taught for decades.

I know that.

So why should it change? The wisdom of the ages applies to the A380 as well.

The point is the Emirates (and presumably other operators) takes its cue from Airbus and will allow a landing with a 5 degree uncorrected crab angle. Get your protractor out and work out if the crab angle in the video was greater than 5 degrees. Clearly landing with any uncorrected angle on firmly on terra firma (or should that be terror firmer) is sub-optimal but still.

[Boac]

So why should it change?

- it hasn't? What makes you think it has?

[TheGreenGoblin]

So why should it change?

- it hasn't? What makes you think it has?

Lots of people bibbling on multiple sites about Boeing allowing uncorrected crab deluxe when landing and wondering whether or not Airbus allows same! 5 degrees, no more no less!

I assume you are not a bibbler, therefore we are both ad idem and are having the 5 second "row" for no good reason.