Pakistan Airbus Down

[AtomKraft]

Once upon a time, a pilot could land easily from whats now called an 'unstabilised approach'

It involved "piloting".......an unfashionable term.

[AtomKraft]

For Fuxxakes, most of my approaches in Loganairs Sheds were unstabilised, and it was seen as good practice.

Where will this dumbing down end?

[Boac]

Initial report apparently 'expected' by 22/6.

[Boac]

Initial report apparently 'expected' by 22/6.

Should be interesting!

[Boac]

From Av Herald
"No preliminary report has yet been published (and there is no indication or announcement as of current that the preliminary report will be published). One Pakistani Media claims to have seen a leaked copy of the preliminary report and reports, that the crew did not follow procedures and appeared to have been overconfident. The aircraft had not been handed off to tower by approach control during the first approach. The crew should have stopped the aircraft after it touched down with retracted landing gear and should not have gone around. The media claims the preliminary report states the air traffic controller is equally responsible for the crash."

Spread the blame around, eh?

[Pontius Navigator]

Actually a reasonable article but one no doubt echoed in TOP at the time.

[Boac]

TOP at the time.

Not sure which time zone (or month ) you are on, PN, but that 'article' was published today by AH, as was the report. I know you visit TOP frequently, so perhaps you could have a look and see what is there?

[Boac]

New picture. https://www.airlive.net/breaking-new-fo ... i-airport/

[tango15]

I love the way there is an advert 'How to fix car scratches' accompanying that article.

[Boac]

Ah - the benefits of adblocker

[tango15]

Ah - the benefits of adblocker

but it won't let me read it with my adblocker on

[G-CPTN]

Ah - the benefits of adblocker

but it won't let me read it with my adblocker on

I just click on the 'space' outside the message and the intrusion disappears.

[tango15]

Ah - the benefits of adblocker

but it won't let me read it with my adblocker on

I just click on the 'space' outside the message and the intrusion disappears.

Thanks - I shall try that!

[Pontius Navigator]

TOP at the time.

Not sure which time zone (or month ) you are on, PN, but that 'article' was published today by AH, as was the report. I know you visit TOP frequently, so perhaps you could have a look and see what is there?

Can't be arsed..

[Boac]

I'm happy to have that explained!

[AtomKraft]

Stretching it a bit by trying to blame ATC for this one...the guy tried, but the Capt. blew him off.

[Rwy in Sight]

Maybe they will blame the ATC staff for not being forceful enough

[Pontius Navigator]

Maybe they will blame the ATC staff for not being forceful enough

Yes, bollox to Very. A kick burst of 20mm tracer would do the trick.

[TheGreenGoblin]

An initial probe into the plane crash near Karachi last month that killed 97 people has found the pilots did not properly carry out a set of procedures and were not "focused" because of coronavirus, Pakistan's aviation minister has said.

Investigators put the crash down to human error, blaming negligence from both the pilots and air traffic controllers, rather than any technical fault, Ghulam Sarwar Khan told parliament on Wednesday.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 82506.html

Words fail me...

Remind me never to fly with, in or in any other way, a Pakistani regulated or piloted aircraft.

[Boac]

From Av Herald, the relevant extracts of the last few minutes - even more inexplicable! My highlighting:

(e) “Karachi Approach” inquired “confirm track mile comfortable for descend” and later advised to take an orbit, so that the aircraft can be adjusted on the required descend profile. No orbit was executed and the effort to intercept the glide slope and localizer (of ILS) was continued. The FDR indicated action of lowering of the landing gears at 7221 ft at around 10.5 Nautical Miles from Runway 25L.

(f) “Karachi Approach” advised repeatedly (twice to discontinue the approach and once cautioned) about excessive height. Landing approach was not discontinued. However, FDR shows action of raising of the landing gears at 1740 ft followed by retraction of the speed brakes (at a distance slightly less than 05 nautical miles from the runway 25L). At this time, the aircraft had intercepted the localizer as well as the glide slope. Flaps 1 were selected at 243 knots IAS, the landing gears and speed brakes were retracted. Over-speed and EGPWS warnings were then triggered.

(g) Figure hereunder depicts a few parameters of FDR data and the first approach profile of the aircraft in comparison with the required approach profile.
Note : For the descent path, the altitude has been shifted to start from 84 ft in order to match the altitude of the runway at ground impact.

(h) Since the approach to land was continued, “Karachi Approach” instead of changing over the aircraft to “Aerodrome Control”, sought telephonic landing clearance from the “Aerodrome Control”. The “Aerodrome Control” conveyed a landing clearance of the aircraft (without observing the abnormality that the landing gears were not extended) to “Karachi Approach”. Subsequently “Karachi Approach” cleared the aircraft to land.

i) At 500 ft, the FDR indicates: landing gear retracted, slat/flap configuration 3, airspeed 220 knots IAS, descent rate 2000 ft/min. According to the FDR and CVR recordings several warnings and alerts such as over-speed, landing gear not down and ground proximity alerts were disregarded. The landing was undertaken with landing gears retracted. The aircraft touched the runway surface on its engines. Flight crew applied reverse engine power and initiated a braking action. Both engines scrubbed the runway at various locations causing damage to both of them. Figures hereunder show selected screenshots of security / CCTV cameras footages of the aircraft engines touching the runway and showing sparks due to scrubbing, along with marks on the runway.

(j) The “Aerodrome Control” observed the scrubbing of engines with the runway but did not covey this abnormality to the aircraft. It was conveyed to the “Karachi Approach” on telephone. Subsequently “Karachi Approach” also did not relay this abnormality to the aircraft.

(k) The landing was discontinued and a go-around was executed. FDR recording indicates a brief action of selection of landing gear lever to down position, which was immediately followed by its movement to up position. Intention to undertake another ILS approach for landing on runway 25L was conveyed, however shortly after the go-around both engines failed one by one.

What can you say? Sounds a bit like that Cranwell Jet Provost student.