Air India Express down at Kozhikode

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Air India Express down at Kozhikode

#1 Post by llondel » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:59 pm

No further news yet, but it just went past on my Twitter feed.

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#2 Post by Rwy in Sight » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:30 pm

From a tweet of skynews:

At least two people are feared dead after an Air India Express flight carrying 191 passengers crash landed at Calicut Airport in Kerala

Erase if it is not legal to copy paste tweets

They had another over-run much more serious in 2010

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#4 Post by Boac » Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:39 pm

From Av Herald (with the required Notams) http://avherald.com/h?article=4daf960f&opt=0

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#5 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:15 pm

Vot to do Johnnie, vot to do?

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#6 Post by ribrash » Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:48 pm

They should stop building ravines at the end of runways.

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#7 Post by PHXPhlyer » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:01 pm

No matter how long they build the runways these guys will figure out a way to land short or long and screw things up.
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#8 Post by Boac » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:12 pm

They should stop building ravines at the end of runways.
Better still, for some operators, stop building ENDS of runways?

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#9 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:15 pm

Didn't the USN have a trial back in the 50s with a circular runway?

Google circular runways.

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#10 Post by FD2 » Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:01 pm

Here is Henk Hesselink advancing the idea later on a BBC news item:



Dat kan niet, Henk.

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#11 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:26 am

The big question is why did he hold off for 20 mins after the first approach instead of diverting. I would guess waiting for a thunderstorm to pass. Vis 2,000m, wind no problem he put it down, where though and at what speed. Wonder if the runway was flooded and he went water skiing off the end. He did have 9,300' to play with though. I think that we can all guess the actual cause.
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#12 Post by ExSp33db1rd » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:45 am

Significant tailwind, I.e. high groundspeed on wet runway. Touchdown point ?

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#13 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:40 am

ExSp33db1rd wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:45 am
Significant tailwind, I.e. high groundspeed on wet runway. Touchdown point ?
Missed that Speedy. He landed on 10, bloody hell I assumed 28. ILS both ends. Perhaps less low level scud that end but what an idiot.
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#14 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:56 am

This sort of idiocy is normal in India.
Wet runway, big tailwind, probably landed deep, fast or both...off the end!

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#15 Post by Undried Plum » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:37 am

AtomKraft wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:56 am
This sort of idiocy is normal in India.
Wet runway, big tailwind, probably landed deep, fast or both...off the end!
Here in Jockistan we had a chinless idiot do exactly that in a 146 of Betty Airways on Islay.

He buried the thing up to its oxters in the putty beyond the runway end. £3M of damage, which he paid for in loose change out of his pocket money which he gets from his German mummy.

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#16 Post by barkingmad » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:44 am

Vref + 20kts and counting?! ~X(

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#17 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:35 am

There's always another factor though, else this sort of thing would happen every week in India.

In this case it might be that 10 is quite a downhill slope as you near the end. Just what you don't need. Thank goodness it didn't burn, or it would have been a different story for the pax.

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#18 Post by Rwy in Sight » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:23 pm

Any comment on the background of the Captain and the cockpit CRM issues it may create?

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#19 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:35 pm

Given that he had held for 20 minutes it seems strange that he would have elected to land downwind as it were. He had had plenty of time to choose and plan his approach. It is possible his decision was precipitated by a incipient fuel shortage (i.e. not enough to divert) coupled with his desire for better approach visibility?
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#20 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:23 pm

GG it would be interesting to know his fuel situation. Anyway a cock up.
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