Taiwan Grounds F-16's after crash...

Post Reply
Message
Author
User avatar
TheGreenGoblin
Chief Pilot
Chief Pilot
Posts: 17596
Joined: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:02 pm
Location: With the Water People near Trappist-1

Taiwan Grounds F-16's after crash...

#1 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:23 pm

Taiwan grounds 150 aircraft pending investigation while search for pilot of the missing aircraft goes on.
Taiwan has grounded all its F16 fighter jets for safety checks as rescuers continue to search for one that went missing during a training exercise, authorities said Wednesday.

The decision removes around 150 planes from Taiwan’s skies, leaving the democratic island relying on a more limited fleet to warn off Chinese jets that have been performing flyovers at an unprecedented rate in recent months.

The air force said a single-seat F16 flown by a 44-year-old pilot disappeared from radar at an altitude of 6,000ft (1,800 metres) two minutes after taking off from Hualien air base in eastern Taiwan on Tuesday night.


The disappearance comes less than three weeks after a pilot was killed when his F-5E fighter jet crashed into the sea during training, prompting a similar grounding.

“The rescue mission is our top priority now. The air force has grounded all F16s for checks and I’ve instructed an investigation into the cause of the incident,” President Tsai Ing-wen told reporters.

Taiwan lives under the constant threat of invasion by China, which views the island as its own territory and has vowed to seize it one day, by force if necessary.

Its fleet of fighters is old and outgunned by China’s. Without the F16s, it consists of the locally built Indigenous Defence Fighter, French-built Mirages from the late 1990s and F5-E fighters that date back to the 1970s.

There have been seven crashes involving F16s since Taiwan took delivery of the fighters purchased from the United States in 1997.

Taiwan has scrambled its planes at double the rate of last year to protect against China’s increased incursions into its defensive zone.

Analysts say Beijing’s fly-bys are designed to test the island’s defence responses but also to wear out its fighters, which come closer to expiry with each sortie.

Taiwan’s military has been battered by a string of air crashes this year.

In January, eight senior officials including the chief of the general staff were killed in a helicopter crash.

Beijing has piled military, economic and diplomatic pressure on Taiwan since President Tsai’s election in 2016, in part due to her refusal to acknowledge its stance that the island is part of “one China”.

Under US President Donald Trump, Washington authorised some $18bn worth of arms sales to Taiwan, including 66 new generation F16s and advanced missile platforms – sales that have angered Beijing.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... es-missing
Though you remain
Convinced
"To be alive
You must have somewhere
To go
Your destination remains
Elusive."

G-CPTN
Chief Pilot
Chief Pilot
Posts: 7644
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:22 pm
Location: Tynedale
Gender:
Age: 79

Re: Taiwan Grounds F-16's after crash...

#2 Post by G-CPTN » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:34 pm

Why ground 150 aircraft after only one loss?

User avatar
ian16th
Chief Pilot
Chief Pilot
Posts: 10029
Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:35 am
Location: KZN South Coast with the bananas
Gender:
Age: 87

Re: Taiwan Grounds F-16's after crash...

#3 Post by ian16th » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:35 pm

G-CPTN wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:34 pm
Why ground 150 aircraft after only one loss?
Because they have very strong suspicions?
Cynicism improves with age

PHXPhlyer
Chief Pilot
Chief Pilot
Posts: 8362
Joined: Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:56 pm
Location: PHX
Gender:
Age: 69

Re: Taiwan Grounds F-16's after crash...

#4 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:43 pm

I assume that the F-16 has at least a QAR if not a FDR.
If When they find the plane either one will yield significant clues as to what happened.

PP

User avatar
Undried Plum
Chief Pilot
Chief Pilot
Posts: 7308
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:45 pm
Location: 56°N 4°W

Re: Taiwan Grounds F-16's after crash...

#5 Post by Undried Plum » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:53 pm

In the 1990s an entire USAF squadron of F-16s had to be scrapped as a result of having been severely overstressed.

It was discovered that puling high g simultaneously rolling at a high rate buggered the wing spars. Flight procedures then limited the pulling of high g with heavy roll, but some hotshot pilots still managed to overstress airframes which subsequently had to be written off.

Perhaps the Taiwanese want to eliminate the possibility of inflight breakup being caused by this phenomenon in this aircraft before ungrounding the fleet?

User avatar
TheGreenGoblin
Chief Pilot
Chief Pilot
Posts: 17596
Joined: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:02 pm
Location: With the Water People near Trappist-1

Re: Taiwan Grounds F-16's after crash...

#6 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:04 pm

"Wiggle butt" issue noted earlier this year.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/artic ... ulled.html
Though you remain
Convinced
"To be alive
You must have somewhere
To go
Your destination remains
Elusive."

G-CPTN
Chief Pilot
Chief Pilot
Posts: 7644
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:22 pm
Location: Tynedale
Gender:
Age: 79

Re: Taiwan Grounds F-16's after crash...

#7 Post by G-CPTN » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:25 pm

Maybe the front fell off?


Pinky the pilot
Chief Pilot
Chief Pilot
Posts: 2528
Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:20 am
Location: Back home, looking for a bad bottle of Red
Gender:
Age: 69

Re: Taiwan Grounds F-16's after crash...

#8 Post by Pinky the pilot » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:32 am

A classic from Clarke and Dawe! :-bd
You only live twice. Once when you're born. Once when you've looked death in the face.

User avatar
Ex-Ascot
Test Pilot
Test Pilot
Posts: 13146
Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:16 am
Location: Botswana but sometimes Greece
Gender:
Age: 68

Re: Taiwan Grounds F-16's after crash...

#9 Post by Ex-Ascot » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:26 am

See they bought them from the Americans but were they built in Taiwan?
'Yes, Madam, I am drunk, but in the morning I shall be sober and you will still be ugly.' Sir Winston Churchill.

Pontius Navigator
Chief Pilot
Chief Pilot
Posts: 14669
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:17 am
Location: Gravity be the clue
Gender:
Age: 81

Re: Taiwan Grounds F-16's after crash...

#10 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:34 am

Fleet grounding is not that uncommon, especially if fatigue is suspected. I know the RAF grounded fleets from time to time. The most famous being the Valiant but there were others.

Other than fatigue, software is now a major concern too.

Post Reply