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#1 Post by Boac » Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:41 am

From Aviation Herald July 8th:
"An Aliansa Douglas DC-3, registration HK-2820 performing a test flight from Villavicencio to Villavicencio (Colombia) with 3 crew, was climbing out of Villavicencio about 5 minutes after the departure when radar and radio contact was lost"

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#2 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:55 am

Boac wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:41 am
From Aviation Herald July 8th:
"An Aliansa Douglas DC-3, registration HK-2820 performing a test flight from Villavicencio to Villavicencio (Colombia) with 3 crew, was climbing out of Villavicencio about 5 minutes after the departure when radar and radio contact was lost"
The jungles of Columbia must be littered with the wreckage of DC3's!

https://thebogotapost.com/has-time-run- ... -3s/36803/

Correct in 2019.
A Wikipedia list based on official accident reports records 60 incidents globally in the last two decades, of which a third were in Colombia. Of these, eight had fatalities totalling 42 deaths, including last week’s losses on a flight from San José de Guaviare to Villavicencio.
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#3 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:13 am

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:55 am
Boac wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:41 am
From Aviation Herald July 8th:
"An Aliansa Douglas DC-3, registration HK-2820 performing a test flight from Villavicencio to Villavicencio (Colombia) with 3 crew, was climbing out of Villavicencio about 5 minutes after the departure when radar and radio contact was lost"
The jungles of Columbia must be littered with the wreckage of DC3's!

https://thebogotapost.com/has-time-run- ... -3s/36803/

Correct in 2019.
A Wikipedia list based on official accident reports records 60 incidents globally in the last two decades, of which a third were in Colombia. Of these, eight had fatalities totalling 42 deaths, including last week’s losses on a flight from San José de Guaviare to Villavicencio.
The daredevil pilots of Columbia

Well worth watching...

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#4 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:28 am

Not so much a joke as close to reality in Columbia...



Jokes aside, I would guess that a lot of these pilots are very skillful and know these routes, and local conditions, like the back of their hands...
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#5 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:40 am

The aircraft has been found...no word on the condition of the crew.
A Douglas DC-3, registration HK-2820, has gone missing in Colombia and is understood to have crashed at Guatiquia canyon, with three people onboard. The aircraft belongs to a regional cargo carrier called Aliansa Aerolíneas Andinas.

According to reports by the local media outlet El Tiempo, the plane was found on a river bed in Guatiquia, Colombia. The aircraft departed Villavicencio on a training flight. There’s no information available about the current status of the people onboard.

The aircraft HK-2820 was built in 1944, according to the airline website. Aerolíneas Andinas has used its DC-3 fleet for over 25 years now. This particular plane entered Aerolíneas Andinas fleet in 2009, according to data obtained from AeroTransport Data Bank (ATDB.aero).

This very same aircraft had a severe incident in 2019. On August 15, 2019, the Douglas DC-3 suffered a runway excursion after landing at La Chorrera Airport, Colombia. Twenty-two people were onboard the aircraft, including three crew members. There were no injuries related to this incident. Aerolíneas Andinas had another DC-3 runway excursion in 2020.
https://simpleflying.com/aliansa-dc-3-goes-missing/

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#6 Post by Ex-Ascot » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:49 am

GG
The jungles of Columbia must be littered with the wreckage of DC3's!
There must be tonnes of cocaine down there. The monkeys must be permanently high.
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#7 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:52 am

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GG
The jungles of Columbia must be littered with the wreckage of DC3's!
There must be tonnes of cocaine down there. The monkeys must be permanently high.
I guess so.

The big cartels, of course, can afford much more sophisticated machinery than the DC-3. A ferry pilot friend of mine has many a story to tell but they are his to tell.
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#8 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:59 am

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GG
The jungles of Columbia must be littered with the wreckage of DC3's!
There must be tonnes of cocaine down there. The monkeys must be permanently high.
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#9 Post by Boac » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:10 am

I think I flew with that guy. (That's me coming into the cockpit as he didn't respond to a challenge.)

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#10 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:08 pm

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:40 am
The aircraft has been found...no word on the condition of the crew.
A Douglas DC-3, registration HK-2820, has gone missing in Colombia and is understood to have crashed at Guatiquia canyon, with three people onboard. The aircraft belongs to a regional cargo carrier called Aliansa Aerolíneas Andinas.

According to reports by the local media outlet El Tiempo, the plane was found on a river bed in Guatiquia, Colombia. The aircraft departed Villavicencio on a training flight. There’s no information available about the current status of the people onboard.

https://simpleflying.com/aliansa-dc-3-goes-missing/

Nobody else is confirming that the aircraft has been "found". My comment may have been unfounded!
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#11 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:55 pm

A 77-year-old Aliansa Aerolineas Douglas DC-3 went missing minutes after taking off from Villavicencio La Vanguardia Airport (VVC), Columbia.

The vintage aircraft, registered as HK-2820, was supposed to perform a test flight on July 8, 2021, after undergoing repair. However, around 5 minutes after takeoff from Villavicencio La Vanguardia Airport (VVC), Columbia, the local Air Traffic Control (ATC) lost radar and radio contact with the plane. Before disappearing, the flight crew of 3 members reportedly declared an emergency and it was the last sign the ATC received from the cockpit.

“At 07:05, local time, radar and communications contact were lost with the airplane Douglas DC-3, registration HK-2820, of the company Aliansa,” the Civil Aviation Authority of Colombia announced in its statement. “The plane departed at 7:00, local time, from Vanguardia de Villavicencio Airport. Immediately, search and rescue personnel from Aeronautica Civil and other help organizations launched an operation to try to locate the aircraft and the crew. Preliminary information indicates that there were three people on board the aircraft, including the crew, all workers of Aliansa.”

Suspecting that the aircraft might be found somewhere around the area of Guatiquia River Canyon, the Civil Defence of Colombia sent the rescue teams for search. Despite reports from local media outlets that the plane was found in a river bed in Guatiquia, the Colombian authorities have not confirmed the information.

The day the HK-2820 disappeared, a Colombian Air Force UH-60 helicopter reportedly received signals from the emergency locator installed in the aircraft, but due to complicated weather conditions, the UH-60 was unable to check the area.

The missing DC-3 is owned by Aliansa Aerolineas, a Colombian air carrier, which is focused on cargo and passenger charter flights operating a fleet consisting of three Douglas DC-3s and a single DC-3TP plane, indicated in the airline‘s website. The company has been operating a monogamous fleet of iconic planes for 25 years.

Manufactured in 1944, on the day of the accident the vintage HK-2820 was counting 77 years in active service. Being praised for great load capacity and reliability by its owner, the aircraft suffered a runway excursion in August 2019, when after landing at La Chorrera Airport (LCR), Colombia it lost control due to the flight crew’s failure to release the tail skate while taxiing.
https://www.aerotime.aero/28343-douglas ... n-columbia

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#12 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:57 pm

Boac wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:10 am
I think I flew with that guy. (That's me coming into the cockpit as he didn't respond to a challenge.)
Your FO looks like a lazy bones Boac! =))
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#13 Post by tango15 » Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:51 pm

Colombia - so many people get it wrong - has what is known as a Cordillera (backbone) running down it's entire length. This consists of three separate mountain ranges which produce some very nasty weather. For many of the even larger towns, surface communications are extremely difficult. The roads over the mountains are extremely dangerous and littered with crosses, where not just cars, but whole busloads of people have gone over the edge. The DC-3s and others are a lifeline to many of these areas. There is a town called Mitú which lies on one of the tributaries of the Amazon, to which access, even today, is only by air or river. There is no road out of town.
Sure there's cocaine being moved around; I once sat drinking a cup of coffee, (delicious Colombian coffee), at Villavicencio airport and watched four DC-3s take off with the large rear doors missing. Why? Well you don't want the fumes to build up too much in the cabin do you? They fly petrol to some of the remote areas; petrol is also used in the making of cocaine of course, but Colombia has acquired a reputation for cocaine production akin to that of Liverpool for thieving. Both are out of date. Nowadays, a lot of the cocaine is produced in Venezuela and Bolivia and a few of the Central American countries, too.
I've spent a lot of time there, and it's a beautiful country with charming people. I've had some unpleasant experiences there too, but as a percentage, no more than anywhere else, given the amount I spent there.
The Antonov has become the Colombian mule of choice now, so no doubt we'll see some of them in the accident statistics in time to come.

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#14 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:31 am

tango15 wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:51 pm
I've had some unpleasant experiences there too....

The Antonov has become the Colombian mule of choice now, so no doubt we'll see some of them in the accident statistics in time to come.
Much like the president, senators and and crew in the presidential helicopter last month...
Colombian president Ivan Duque Marquez has escaped injury after his air force helicopter was damaged by gunfire, as it carried out an approach to the city of Cucuta near the Venezuelan border.

The Sikorsky UH-60 (FAC 0007) sustained multiple bullet strikes to its fuselage and rotor during the 25 June incident.

Marquez says the presidential aircraft had been operating from nearby Sardinata to Cucuta when it was “the victim of an attack”.

He had been travelling in the helicopter with the country’s defence minister, interior minister, and the governor of North Santander.

Aerial security devices and the aircraft’s capabilities “prevented something lethal from occurring”, says Marquez.

“It is a cowardly attack”, he adds. “We reiterate that, as a government, we are not going to falter for a single minute, a single day, in the fight against drug trafficking, against terrorism, and against organised crime groups that operate in the country.”

Marquez says he has given “very clear instructions” to security personnel to pursue the individuals who shot at the helicopter.

Colombia’s government selected the Leonardo AW139 helicopter for the country’s replacement presidential transport earlier this year.

Leonardo stated that the twin-engined helicopter, operated by the Colombian air force, would be configured with an eight-seat VVIP interior and feature an integrated “self-defence suite”.
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The Antonov has become the Colombian mule of choice now, so no doubt we'll see some of them in the accident statistics in time to come.
Much like they have in Africa too...

Returning to the missing DC-3
Colombian carrier Aerolineas Andinas Aliansa is awaiting confirmation from search personnel that wreckage of a missing Douglas DC-3 has been located in a forest.

Video circulating on social media purports to shows aft fuselage debris with characteristic black-and-white stripes, matching those of the aircraft, and a vertical fin bearing its registration, HK-2820.

There is no immediate indication of the condition of the crew, but the wreckage video suggests extensive forward fuselage damage.

Aliansa says the images “correspond to the aircraft” but points out that they have been sourced from social media and not the search parties overseen by aeronautical authorities.

“We are waiting for official reports to expand the information,” it adds.

The DC-3 had three occupants on board when it departed Villavicencio on 8 July for a training flight, the airline has stated.

Radar and radio contact was lost a few minutes after its departure, at around 07:00, from Villavicencio’s La Vanguardia airport.
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#15 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:55 am

The ever reliable The Aviation Herald are reporting the aircraft as found and all 3 crew members dead.

A search for the missing aircraft was underway, the aircraft was found destroyed. All three crew had perished.

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#16 Post by tango15 » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:25 pm

Very sad. Of the five 748s we sold to SATENA, three crashed. In one case, one crashed into a mountain, another was stolen from the hangar early in the morning and crashed onto a couple of houses in the centre of Bogota. The third aquaplaned on landing at an airport where they had just had very heavy rain. Their accident record is less than reassuring:

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#17 Post by barkingmad » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:32 pm

Re post # 15, are the black and white stripes on the rear fuselage the (original) markings painted on Allied aircraft for the D-day invasion to reduce the 'misident' chances of friendly fire by the said Allies?

Seems like this 'frame has worn it's colours and lasted way beyond its design life.

There was a fascinating show on UK TV recently about the restoration of a C47 using parts recovered in freezing conditions from an old warbird parked in Canada by the team at Coventry airport.

One more location on my bucket list to be visited before 'they' track me down and dispose of a nuisance...

'Tis sad another 3 of the 'Band of Brothers' have been snuffed out, before their time, in a very dangerous environment. :(

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