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#261 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sun May 10, 2020 4:20 pm

WEHFF? :-\

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#262 Post by Woody » Sun May 10, 2020 4:32 pm

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#263 Post by Undried Plum » Mon May 11, 2020 12:10 am

SneezyJet would be a good name for a new LoCo.

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#264 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon May 11, 2020 1:30 am

ribrash wrote:
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The 2 metre figure was probably plucked out of thin air by the same experts who plucked the 14 units of alcohol out of thin air.
True and as we all know 97.5673 statistics are made up on the spot and 95.4345 people believe them whether they are valid statistics or not.
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#265 Post by Rwy in Sight » Mon May 11, 2020 4:51 am

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 1:30 am
ribrash wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 2:50 pm

The 2 metre figure was probably plucked out of thin air by the same experts who plucked the 14 units of alcohol out of thin air.
True and as we all know 97.5673 statistics are made up on the spot and 95.4345 people believe them whether they are valid statistics or not.
But how would you feel if they spend 120K GBP / EUR / USD to come with a figure 1.9256343546 meters

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#266 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon May 11, 2020 5:28 am

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If he turns up 🙈

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Poor little Willie...
The fat cat British Airways boss axing up to 12,000 workers has trousered more than £30million since 2011. Willie Walsh, chief executive of BA owner International Airlines Group, is set to retire in September - a month before his 59th birthday.

And he can relax in comfort having been handed another £213,000 cash last year to put towards his pension, and £1.8million since 2011. Yet for BA workers facing the chop, the future is looking far more precarious. Not only do they face chop, BA is also proposing to give them statutory redundancy pay, claiming anything more would be “prohibitively expensive”
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#267 Post by barkingmad » Tue May 12, 2020 8:09 am

PHXPhlyer wrote:
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WEHFF? :-\

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#268 Post by Capetonian » Tue May 12, 2020 9:54 am

In case anyone is interested in what Willie had to say in the Commons yesterday ......
What did Willie Walsh say to the House of Commons Transport Committee yesterday?
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Willie Walsh, Chairman and Chief Executive of International Airlines Group (IAG), the parent company of British Airways, appeared before the House of Commons Transport Committee yesterday.

If you were hoping for any revelations regarding the proposed British Airways restructuring you will be disappointed. Walsh’s favourite line throughout the entire 110 minute ordeal was:

“we will engage in good faith consultations with the elected representatives”

Despite the MPs’ best intentions Walsh did not deviate from this argument. To be fair to Walsh, there is little else he could have said. Commenting on the ongoing consultation would have been inappropriate and angered the unions even further. IAG is also a quoted company which means that he needed to be careful not to give any information which could move the share price.

Nonetheless, the line enabled him to deflect questions from MPs who have received emails, letters and documents from British Airways staff regarding the restructuring efforts. Huw Merriman, the chairman of the committee, estimated that he had received around 1,000 emails from concerned staff, and many of the other MPs also referred to inboxes full of emails from employees.

Despite this, there was little to say about the proposed redundancies or pay cuts at British Airways since this depends entirely on the current ‘consultation’.

Throughout the committee, Walsh re-iterated IAG’s position that it the aviation industry was facing its most significant crisis ever, and that British Airways was ensuring not just its short term survival but also long-term ability to compete in the global aviation sector.

Walsh again said that IAG does not believe that air traffic to return to 2019 levels until 2023 at the earliest, and called this the “most optimistic” scenario. 2024 was mentioned more than once.

He said that he is keen that British Airways WILL return to Gatwick Airport. Given that Heathrow will remain at capacity (airlines will do whatever they can not to lose their ultra-valuable landing slots) this should not be a surprise. Unless BA permanently shrinks to a size 20% smaller than it was in January, it will need Gatwick. It will also need its leisure-focused customer base if business travel is slow to return.

One interesting figure to come from the committee is the effect of the Government’s Job Retention Scheme. According to Walsh, the scheme has only reduced BA’s cash-burn to an extent that it could survive an additional 10 days. Given that IAG is losing €200 million per week at the moment, this is not surprising.

How will a 14 day arrival quarantine affect British Airways?

Walsh was not particularly impressed by the announcement of a 14 day quarantine for air arrivals into the UK. He was disappointed by the vagueness of Boris Johnson’s Sunday address, stating that

“the announcements of a 14 day quarantine period […] is definitely going to make it worse, there was nothing positive in anything I heard the prime minister say.”

Walsh had stated last week that IAG hoped to reinstate approximately 50% of capacity in July. He said yesterday that the announcement of a quarantine period would require the airlines to review their plans and that passengers flights from the UK would be ‘minimal’ if it went ahead.

Walsh was also disappointed that the quarantine would apparently not apply to Eurostar or ferries. That said, the official Government guidelines published yesterday afternoon – after Walsh had spoken – make no reference to special treatment for non-air traffic.

As we reported last week, British Airways is running a key number of routes that are cash positive on a cargo basis alone. In April, BA operated 422 dedicated cargo flights using passenger aircraft. Walsh expects this number to increase this month and next.

When it comes to how flying will look in the future, Walsh pointed to his hopes that a forthcoming document on in-flight standards and safety to be published jointly by the European Aviation Safety Agency.
Could the RAF offer support to pilots?

One issue that was raised was discussions to allow ex-RAF pilots to return to active duty for a limited period. This is a plan put forward by BALPA, the British Airline Pilots’ Association. It was not clear in what capacity, if any, discussions had taken place with the RAF.

Such a scheme would allow British Airways to release pilots to the RAF and thus reduce its cost base by a fraction. In effect, the UK Government and the Ministry of Defence would be offering financial support to British Airways in the form of financially-backed secondments.

Whether or not the RAF actually needs additional pilots, and what exactly they would do with them, is another matter. At this stage it appears the unions are pursuing all avenues. I would not necessarily expect this to come to fruition.

Is British Airways withholding refunds?

One topic that has been extensively covered on Head for Points as well as mainstream media is the difficulty in getting cancelled flights refunded.

When challenged why British Airways had removed the option for online refunds, Walsh claimed that

“the online system was not set up to deal with the volume of correspondence we were receiving”

and that

“most of these have to be manually processed at one level or another to ensure that the refund is correct”

Asked directly whether the removal of online refunds was taken to put people off refunds, Walsh stated that it was “most definitely not” the case. He said that IAG has paid out over €1 billion in flight refunds since March.

I suspect that Walsh will need to be a lot more persuasive if he is to convince anyone that this is truly the case. Whilst nobody will dispute that there are higher volumes than usual, the lack of transparency when it comes to refund rights and options, as well as the rush to close refund loopholes such as the javascript workaround that we wrote about appear to suggest a different story.

That said ….. who is doing a better job than British Airways? easyJet, Ryanair and Virgin Atlantic have not been covering themselves with glory either. Virgin Atlantic is currently insisting that passengers wait 90-100 days for their money, whilst British Airways is processing refunds quickly once you manage to get through to the call centre.
Did Walsh get away with it?

In general, Walsh will feel that he got off lightly. He never had to give a straight answer as to why redundancy notices have been issued to virtually all British Airways staff or why Eurofleet and Worldwide cabin crew at Heathrow will have to accept pay cuts of 50% or more. Whilst some of the committee members were well briefed, others took the debate off into obscure corners (such as the RAF secondment scheme, or the acquisition of Air Europa) which gave him breathing space.

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#269 Post by Woody » Tue May 12, 2020 11:21 am

He’d probably say that as the unions are taking BA to court about the legality or otherwise of the company proposals he couldn’t comment X(
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#270 Post by Boac » Tue May 12, 2020 12:07 pm

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... t-11986803

I look forward to seeing some of 'softies' running up and down the Brecon beacons (in the snow, of course) carrying telegraph poles, during their 'training'. Previously commissioned excused, of course - just a refresher course on pea-eating. Talk of a '18-48 month secondment', however - they'll be lucky to be on a squadron in 48 months..... :)) RAF allowances are going to come as shock.

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#271 Post by Woody » Tue May 12, 2020 1:39 pm

Boac wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 12:07 pm
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... t-11986803

I look forward to seeing some of 'softies' running up and down the Brecon beacons (in the snow, of course) carrying telegraph poles, during their 'training'. Previously commissioned excused, of course - just a refresher course on pea-eating. Talk of a '18-48 month secondment', however - they'll be lucky to be on a squadron in 48 months..... :)) RAF allowances are going to come as shock.
It says ground staff as well, can I volunteer for an Akrotiri posting :o)
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#272 Post by Boac » Tue May 12, 2020 1:50 pm

Hmm! Dream on.....

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#273 Post by ian16th » Tue May 12, 2020 2:13 pm

Woody wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 1:39 pm
Boac wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 12:07 pm
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... t-11986803

I look forward to seeing some of 'softies' running up and down the Brecon beacons (in the snow, of course) carrying telegraph poles, during their 'training'. Previously commissioned excused, of course - just a refresher course on pea-eating. Talk of a '18-48 month secondment', however - they'll be lucky to be on a squadron in 48 months..... :)) RAF allowances are going to come as shock.
It says ground staff as well, can I volunteer for an Akrotiri posting :o)
Isn't it true that Akrotiri is one of only 2 KD postings these days?
The other one is a very small unit at Gibraltar.
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#274 Post by Alisoncc » Tue May 12, 2020 11:47 pm

ian16th wrote:
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Isn't it true that Akrotiri is one of only 2 KD postings these days?
The other one is a very small unit at Gibraltar.
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#275 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed May 13, 2020 2:50 am

BA Pilots to join the RAF

This idea sounds far fetched. As far as one understands the situation pertaining prior to the onset of the plague, the RAF had no shortage of trainees and even trained pilots but was slow in completing the relevant training and converting trained pilots to operational units due to procurement failures by the MOD and gross inefficiencies within the private companies now involved in the process ...

Hundreds of trainee military pilots are not flying because of long delays in the Ministry of Defence's privately contracted training programme.

I suppose there might be a very small percentage of these BA pilot secondees who might be used in a training role by Ascent (the private company subcontracted to do the training) but they would be part of the same failing system and would effectively just be part of the problem, needing to be retrained themselves and effectively blocking younger pilots on their path to a flying role in the RAF.
The backlog in the Military Flying Training System (MFTS) has doubled over the past year.

Three hundred and fifty pilots, including helicopter and fast-jet pilots, are waiting to fly because of a shortage of planes and instructors.

The MoD says there are enough trained air crew for current front-line needs.

The BBC has been told training which should take three years is taking six or seven, with trainee pilots spending their time doing office jobs rather than flying.

The multi-billion-pound training contract is run by Ascent, a partnership between Babcock International and Lockheed Martin.

"It's a huge contract and it's fundamentally failing," said one source.

"There are so many elements that aren't working. It's not doing justice to the young trainee pilots. They do initial officer training and then everything stops for at least a couple of years."
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#276 Post by Capetonian » Wed May 13, 2020 6:52 am

TUI said Wednesday that it plans to gradually resume travel activities after suspending them due to coronavirus and could cut up to 8,000 jobs.

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#277 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat May 16, 2020 2:36 pm

ian16th wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 2:13 pm
Woody wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 1:39 pm
Boac wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 12:07 pm
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... t-11986803

I look forward to seeing some of 'softies' running up and down the Brecon beacons (in the snow, of course) carrying telegraph poles, during their 'training'. Previously commissioned excused, of course - just a refresher course on pea-eating. Talk of a '18-48 month secondment', however - they'll be lucky to be on a squadron in 48 months..... :)) RAF allowances are going to come as shock.
It says ground staff as well, can I volunteer for an Akrotiri posting :o)
Isn't it true that Akrotiri is one of only 2 KD postings these days?
The other one is a very small unit at Gibraltar.
I was in Akrotiri a few years back, it was mixed dress with my son in law in desert, others in greens and a few in Stone (KD as was). The camo ones of course were long trousers whereas the Stone were in shorts. The women wore the full button down the front dresses. A real hodge podge.

Not sure what the workers wore as shorts must have been more comfortable on the dispersals.

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#278 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat May 16, 2020 2:37 pm

Pleased to say that my nephew in easyJet had been promoted to senior first and pay back dated to February.

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#279 Post by Rwy in Sight » Sat May 16, 2020 3:55 pm

Congratulations to your nephew PN. I hope he gets the fourth strip soon.

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#280 Post by Ibbie » Mon May 18, 2020 10:27 am

Interesting interview with Michael O'Leary on Today this morning. He actually was talking sense and made some good points.
He is of the opinion that all the quarantine zones that have sprung up in Europe will be gone by end of June.

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