How not to fly an aeroplane

[Undried Plum]

How many Colonels does it take to crash an aeroplane?

[Undried Plum]

Or Heortoricans?

[Boac]

RE 1) It was during a display practice and not 'just before landing'

[TheGreenGoblin]

How many Colonels does it take to crash an aeroplane?

The infamous Arthur "Bud" Holland crash. Major Tony Kern had him bang to rights.

http://sbfpd.org/uploads/3/0/9/6/309601 ... f_blue.pdf

[Undried Plum]

RE 1) It was during a display practice and not 'just before landing'

Ah! That explains it.

Four Colonels, and none of them were told that.

Who'da thunk it?

95°AOB and 60° nose down at sub-stall kts. What could possibly go wrong, Colone(l)s?

Let's see.

[TheGreenGoblin]

Holland had a huge amount of previous and one of the colonels on board was there to try and temper his lunacy, most of the squadron would not fly with this guy.

Holland killed all the crew in this aircraft. See this video to see the ejection of the guy who was there to try and prevent this disaster. He ended up being caught in the fireball. He died in front of his wife and children.

[Undried Plum]

Such a simple rule, even if the bridge window is a bit sticky:

[Boac]

Ah! That explains it.??

What actually explains it is the dire state of the US military. Heaven knows how folk were getting promoted in those days. I remember in TOP a long discussion about the crash and friends of mine were heard to suggest that Holland must have had 'blackmail' material on his seniors for events to happen as they did - you know, videos of them shagging sheep or tinkering with choir boys etc.

The 'monitoring' pilot also sadly made completely the wrong decision to fly. Around that time there was a lot of ridicule amongst our chaps over the lack of 'with it' demonstrated by USAF - our long-lost member 'BenThere' demonstrated that by telling us he really did 'soak up' his 'int' briefing that the Russians did not have air-to air refuelling capability despite the fact that most of the rest of the world had been watching such since 'for ever'. Him a tanker driver too!

The Marine F4 collision is another example. Fighter pilots are supposed to look out, while Airline pilots can normally get away with eating cheese boards or doing crosswords. A terrible and avoidable loss of life through appalling airmanship. Not to mention 'Rules of the Air', of course.

PS It doesn't look as if things had improved by 2018 either.

[TheGreenGoblin]

Ah! That explains it.??

What actually explains it is the dire state of the US military. Heaven knows how folk were getting promoted in those days. I remember in TOP a long discussion about the crash and friends of mine were heard to suggest that Holland must have had 'blackmail' material on his seniors for events to happen as they did - you know, videos of them shagging sheep or tinkering with choir boys etc.

The 'monitoring' pilot also sadly made completely the wrong decision to fly. Around that time there was a lot of ridicule amongst our chaps over the lack of 'with it' demonstrated by USAF - our long-lost member 'BenThere' demonstrated that by telling us he really did 'soak up' his 'int' briefing that the Russians did not have air-to air refuelling capability despite the fact that most of the rest of the world had been watching such since 'for ever'. Him a tanker driver too!

The Marine F4 collision is another example. Fighter pilots are supposed to look out, while Airline pilots can normally get away with eating cheese boards or doing crosswords. A terrible and avoidable loss of life through appalling airmanship. Not to mention 'Rules of the Air', of course.

Tony Kern's book is well worth reading... it is useful in any industry in fact.





The FlightChannel videos are generally very good... thanks for posting UP.

[TheGreenGoblin]

"Hey, we have just graunched the tail on the runway, let's continue as if nothing happened!"

[Woody]

Even us mere ground crew are aware of c of g on the A320, especially the NEO and use anti-tip procedures during a turnaround

[Boac]

Had to get the baggage handling fork lift at Aberdeen to hold up the tail of my Aztec many years ago while a heavy drill bit was loaded until we could get it on the c of g. Much muttering from the traditionally 'happy' Aberdonians.....

[TheGreenGoblin]

Had to get the baggage handling fork lift at Aberdeen to hold up the tail of my Aztec many years ago while a heavy drill bit was loaded until we could get it on the c of g. Much muttering from the traditionally 'happy' Aberdonians.....

Dour?

[PHXPhlyer]

Ah! That explains it.??

What actually explains it is the dire state of the US military. Heaven knows how folk were getting promoted in those days. I remember in TOP a long discussion about the crash and friends of mine were heard to suggest that Holland must have had 'blackmail' material on his seniors for events to happen as they did - you know, videos of them shagging sheep or tinkering with choir boys etc.

The 'monitoring' pilot also sadly made completely the wrong decision to fly. Around that time there was a lot of ridicule amongst our chaps over the lack of 'with it' demonstrated by USAF - our long-lost member 'BenThere' demonstrated that by telling us he really did 'soak up' his 'int' briefing that the Russians did not have air-to air refuelling capability despite the fact that most of the rest of the world had been watching such since 'for ever'. Him a tanker driver too!

The Marine F4 collision is another example. Fighter pilots are supposed to look out, while Airline pilots can normally get away with eating cheese boards or doing crosswords. A terrible and avoidable loss of life through appalling airmanship. Not to mention 'Rules of the Air', of course.

Tony Kern's book is well worth reading... it is useful in any industry in fact.





The FlightChannel videos are generally very good... thanks for posting UP.

Which book?

PP

[TheGreenGoblin]

What actually explains it is the dire state of the US military. Heaven knows how folk were getting promoted in those days. I remember in TOP a long discussion about the crash and friends of mine were heard to suggest that Holland must have had 'blackmail' material on his seniors for events to happen as they did - you know, videos of them shagging sheep or tinkering with choir boys etc.

The 'monitoring' pilot also sadly made completely the wrong decision to fly. Around that time there was a lot of ridicule amongst our chaps over the lack of 'with it' demonstrated by USAF - our long-lost member 'BenThere' demonstrated that by telling us he really did 'soak up' his 'int' briefing that the Russians did not have air-to air refuelling capability despite the fact that most of the rest of the world had been watching such since 'for ever'. Him a tanker driver too!

The Marine F4 collision is another example. Fighter pilots are supposed to look out, while Airline pilots can normally get away with eating cheese boards or doing crosswords. A terrible and avoidable loss of life through appalling airmanship. Not to mention 'Rules of the Air', of course.

Tony Kern's book is well worth reading... it is useful in any industry in fact.





The FlightChannel videos are generally very good... thanks for posting UP.

Which book?

Flight Discipline. The principles noted in there pertain in multiple industries.

[PHXPhlyer]

Thanks!

PP

[TheGreenGoblin]

Thanks!

PP

Bought my copy in the USA. Really worth reading.

Ex Lt Col in the USAF...

https://convergentperformance.com/our-team/

[Undried Plum]

****q!

[TheGreenGoblin]

****q!

The accident displayed significant similarities with the 1994 crash of a B-52 bomber at Fairchild Air Force Base, Washington. On both occasions, the local USAF unit's chain of command apparently failed to prevent the pilots involved from developing deliberately unsafe flying practices for aerial displays of large aircraft.

One assumes that the officers in command turned to their best stick and rudder jockeys whose skill and daring seemed to lack temperance by the concomitant airmanship necessary to carry the displays off in a safe (and in these cases cases) successful fashion. Auguring into the earth in a stalled aircraft and killing yourself and your crew has to be a major flying "fail" in anybody's language or operational culture!

Alaska C17 Crash

[Boac]

The FlightChannel videos are generally very good.

To qualify - they are great for anyone who doesn't understand basic flying, ie they are tailored for the lowest common denominator. The C17 crash video is a case in point. Presentation of the 'history' but a lot of irrelevant information in the rush to appeal to the 'rabble'.