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#1 Post by Boac » Sat May 14, 2022 7:36 am


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Re: Oh dear - red faces as well?

#2 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sat May 14, 2022 8:44 am

Just high spirits.

Guess they are up there because Akrotiri is busy.
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#3 Post by k3k3 » Sat May 14, 2022 9:24 am

They were scheduled to display at Torbay (amongst other places) on June 4th and 5th, do they have a reserve to sub for the ex-Red, possibly one of last years team?

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#4 Post by Boac » Sat May 14, 2022 9:41 am

There should be no problem in replacing if necessary in terms of available bods, but the biggest issue would be the disruption to the training and display approval required. They already replaced Red 8 in January with last year's Red 6, but that gave them plenty of time. Since they only arrived, I think on 5/5 in Greece via Croatia, this 'upset' is pretty time-crucial.

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#5 Post by Rwy in Sight » Sat May 14, 2022 10:11 am

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Just high spirits.

Guess they are up there because Akrotiri is busy.
I think they have included my favourite 114 FW in Tanagra in their training schedule for some time

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#6 Post by Boac » Sat May 14, 2022 10:12 am

Yes, oh dear! This is bad. It has just been announced that this season will be a 7-ship. https://www.air-shows.org.uk/2022/05/ai ... p-in-2022/

Should soon be able to reduce the number of suspects to 2...............or possibly even 1...

The MOD page has yet to catch up!

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#7 Post by Boac » Sat May 14, 2022 11:55 am

MOD still showing 9 pilots - 'IT' probably all on the golf course

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#8 Post by Boac » Sat May 14, 2022 6:30 pm

I cannot quite fathom the lack of action on the MOD web page regarding the 'pilots'. Either they just cannot bring themselves to publicise the 'offender' or they are having second thoughts. The page should normally have been taken down for 'maintenance'. Odd.

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#9 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun May 15, 2022 7:51 am

How big a crime do you have to commit to be rusticated by the Reds,

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#10 Post by Boac » Sun May 15, 2022 8:03 am

We can only guess at this stage, but 'behaviour unbecoming...' is an option. Patience, Sir, and I'm sure this modern world of communication will tell us.

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#11 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sun May 15, 2022 9:25 am

Goat shagging in the main square?
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#12 Post by Boac » Sun May 15, 2022 10:00 am

Is it illegal?

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#13 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sun May 15, 2022 10:32 am

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Is it illegal?
Not in Greece but behaviour unbecoming of a Royal Air Force Officer. Especially if was cheered on by the rest of the team.
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#14 Post by Boac » Sun May 15, 2022 10:59 am

Does the manoeuvre require coloured smoke?

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#15 Post by Boac » Sun May 15, 2022 11:06 am

Back on a more serious note than goat shagging (OK, ex-A, I know that is a serious matter for you :))), I do wonder if the declared intent to fly a nine-ship for fly-pasts and the retention of the '9' faces on the web might indicate an option for a good beating by the SWO behind the Scampton bike sheds and a return to the team to remake a nine-ship display? Thinking 'innocent until proved'....etc?

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#16 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun May 15, 2022 12:41 pm

I have had the pleasure of bumping into the Reds on two occasions,the first one being at Exter when I was delivering my ex boss's Tampico for maintenance at Exeter and they had just landed and had the opportunity to walk and talk on the walk to the terminal. Nice guys all, and all at the top of their game. Second time at Farnborough on a corporate day where my better half flirted outrageously with all of the team at a meet and greet. I didn't have the heart to be jealous. ;)))

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#17 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sun May 15, 2022 12:44 pm

Boac, obviously you know better than any other here. Surely a 9 ship cruise by is relatively easy (well not for me) but a full aerobatic display of 9 is a little more difficult. Thus the 7 this season without intensive training.
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#18 Post by Boac » Sun May 15, 2022 1:36 pm

Of course, but I am trying to reconcile the odd 'behaviour' on the MOD page with events. Normally if a fatal or other serious 'removal' of a member happens, the page is normally either temporarily taken down or quickly changed.

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#19 Post by Rwy in Sight » Sun May 15, 2022 6:53 pm

Εχ-Α isn't the difficulty of a routine practically the same for a 7 or a 9 ship ones? Or to put it a bit differently, can you take two ships out of a 9 ship display and fly it relatively easy?

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#20 Post by Boac » Sun May 15, 2022 7:10 pm

It all hinges on who has 'gone' and then the adjustment is made. If it is one of the synchro pair, it will most likely be a sole 'synchro'. If, say, No 4 or 8 goes, No 5 or 9 may also, sadly, be stood down. If 2 goes, the team will need to work up with 4 moving up to 2 etc. - a lot of work to be done. Then the 'shapes need to be looked at and probably changed. The loss of 1 or 2 ships will mean a change in the whole display too. No easy task at this stage of the work up. In 'normal' times, the loss of 1 jet through tech or sickness could well mean an asymmetric shape or three but possibly the same show. A 'pre-planned' 7 ship is a whole different thing.

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