Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Someone on TOP posted this link to the Defence Select Committee meeting to discuss our 'preparedness' for want of a better word. https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/8 ... ccde927d06
The video of the session is long - over an hour, but needs to be watched. The UK, and I suspect most of NATO. is not in a good place.
The video of the session is long - over an hour, but needs to be watched. The UK, and I suspect most of NATO. is not in a good place.
- boing
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2717
- Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:32 am
- Location: Beautful Oregon USA
- Gender:
- Age: 77
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Interesting little chat from some intelligent people, there are a series of very significant points made throughout the video.
[media][media]
.
[media][media]
.
the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible.
- Mrs Ex-Ascot
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 4595
- Joined: Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:18 am
- Location: Botswana but sometimes Greece
- Age: 59
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
This is an interesting comment IMO; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... iumph.html
RAF 32 Sqn B Flt ; Twin Squirrels.
-
- Capt
- Posts: 1151
- Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:37 am
- Location: New Zealand
- Gender:
- Age: 84
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
https://www.rt.com/russia/557824-ukrain ... aign=Email
"Ukraine’s prospective membership in the alliance was a key factor behind the current conflict with Russia. Ukraine wrote its goal of becoming a NATO member into its constitution in 2019, despite Moscow’s warnings that having the alliance’s forces and weapons on its border would constitute an unacceptable security threat. "
Taking a lot of death and destruction to get rid of that unacceptable threat.
https://www.rt.com/news/557821-kirby-us ... y-victory/
"Armed with American weapons, Kiev will determine the terms of a peace deal with Russia, US National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told Voice of America on Friday.
'While others have suggested that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky should cede some territory for peace, Kirby said Washington is preparing for what could be “a prolonged conflict.” Really?? Washington is?
"Ukraine’s prospective membership in the alliance was a key factor behind the current conflict with Russia. Ukraine wrote its goal of becoming a NATO member into its constitution in 2019, despite Moscow’s warnings that having the alliance’s forces and weapons on its border would constitute an unacceptable security threat. "
Taking a lot of death and destruction to get rid of that unacceptable threat.
https://www.rt.com/news/557821-kirby-us ... y-victory/
"Armed with American weapons, Kiev will determine the terms of a peace deal with Russia, US National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told Voice of America on Friday.
'While others have suggested that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky should cede some territory for peace, Kirby said Washington is preparing for what could be “a prolonged conflict.” Really?? Washington is?
- Fox3WheresMyBanana
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 13550
- Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:51 pm
- Location: Great White North
- Gender:
- Age: 61
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
I note none of the superpower sphere-of-influence discussers care a hoot about what the peoples in their so-called buffer zones might actually want.
I also note that Russia's promise to respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine, in exchange for it giving up its nuclear weapons, contained no caveats.
And more importantly, who could blame any nation for seeking to acquire nuclear weapons, given what happens to countries that don't have them, or give them up?
I also note that Russia's promise to respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine, in exchange for it giving up its nuclear weapons, contained no caveats.
And more importantly, who could blame any nation for seeking to acquire nuclear weapons, given what happens to countries that don't have them, or give them up?
- Undried Plum
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 7308
- Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:45 pm
- Location: 56°N 4°W
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
If that bloody neocon clown in Kiev had nukes, how long do you think it would have been before he used them against Russia? Victoria Nuland and her ghastly gang didn't hesitate to use Ukraine as a proxy in The Empire's war against Russia.
Which country has used nukes? How long after acquiring them did they actually start to use them?
Which country has used nukes? How long after acquiring them did they actually start to use them?
- Fox3WheresMyBanana
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 13550
- Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:51 pm
- Location: Great White North
- Gender:
- Age: 61
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Not sure what you are asking; whether Ukraine would have used nukes without Russia invading Ukraine?
I would have thought Ukraine wouldn't have been invaded if it still had them.
I note no nukes have been used since WW2, despite the collection of rogues, clowns, and psychos who have ruled and currently rule the countries that have them.
I would have thought Ukraine wouldn't have been invaded if it still had them.
I note no nukes have been used since WW2, despite the collection of rogues, clowns, and psychos who have ruled and currently rule the countries that have them.
- Undried Plum
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 7308
- Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:45 pm
- Location: 56°N 4°W
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Yes, but it was a damn close run thing in '62, don'tcha think?
-
- Capt
- Posts: 830
- Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:31 pm
- Location: United Kingdom
- Gender:
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
The cynic in me whispers in my ear that this is a proxy war between the USA and the rump of the USSR in order to reduce Russian conventional capability to near zero while the USA focuses on what it believes to be the current existential threat: China.
- Undried Plum
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 7308
- Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:45 pm
- Location: 56°N 4°W
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
The pharterwhisperer has nailed it.
The neocon strategy is to crush Russia before turning on China.
The neocon strategy is to crush Russia before turning on China.
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Damned clever of the USA to persuade Russia to move all those troops and armour to the border, don'tcha think? Not forgetting persuading them to annexe the area in 2014. I view Obama's strategy in a new light now.
- boing
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2717
- Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:32 am
- Location: Beautful Oregon USA
- Gender:
- Age: 77
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
It is not possible to realistically suggest that the "west" initiated the war in Ukraine for their own purposes but it seems that in light of the initial Russian incompetence that the "west" quickly realised that they had a great opportunity to bleed Russian forces both in manpower and equipment. Had the Russian invasion competently completed its initial plan the combat would have been over by now.
This is a chess game played on a triangular board with black, white and grey players. If you view the situation cynically the grey players gain relative strength by watching black and white wear each other down. The ultimate aim is that black loses, white wins and swings hard towards grey in gratitude and grey modestly says it was nothing meanwhile quietly gaining greatly from the damage done to black because black did not recognise where the trap was really set.
Presently Russia effectively stands to lose Sevastopol as a dominant Black Sea port even though it may retain possession but more critically use of Kaliningrad on the Baltic is threatened. Would Lithuania and NATO have dared to block Kaliningrad if Russian forces had not been worn down in Ukraine?
Eventually Russia will only have its nuclear arsenal as a final deterrent but it knows that this could only be used as a last resort in case of invasion of Russia itself or as an action of gross insanity. So Russia is in a fix. Through its own fault Russia has lost a great part of its conventional military resources, it faces the risk of partially losing the use of its two year round naval facilities, it has pushed its non-aligned neighbours into NATO, Belarus has been demonstrated as being only useful as a doormat and it has demonstrated that its military strategy is still based on Genghis Khan not Sun Tzu. A more disastrous result of an apparently simple invasion could hardly be imagined.
I still think that Kherson is the key to the chess game but watch for events in Belarus with its Mussolini type leader. The final complication we do not need is the stupidity of Joe Biden and his energy policies
.
This is a chess game played on a triangular board with black, white and grey players. If you view the situation cynically the grey players gain relative strength by watching black and white wear each other down. The ultimate aim is that black loses, white wins and swings hard towards grey in gratitude and grey modestly says it was nothing meanwhile quietly gaining greatly from the damage done to black because black did not recognise where the trap was really set.
Presently Russia effectively stands to lose Sevastopol as a dominant Black Sea port even though it may retain possession but more critically use of Kaliningrad on the Baltic is threatened. Would Lithuania and NATO have dared to block Kaliningrad if Russian forces had not been worn down in Ukraine?
Eventually Russia will only have its nuclear arsenal as a final deterrent but it knows that this could only be used as a last resort in case of invasion of Russia itself or as an action of gross insanity. So Russia is in a fix. Through its own fault Russia has lost a great part of its conventional military resources, it faces the risk of partially losing the use of its two year round naval facilities, it has pushed its non-aligned neighbours into NATO, Belarus has been demonstrated as being only useful as a doormat and it has demonstrated that its military strategy is still based on Genghis Khan not Sun Tzu. A more disastrous result of an apparently simple invasion could hardly be imagined.
I still think that Kherson is the key to the chess game but watch for events in Belarus with its Mussolini type leader. The final complication we do not need is the stupidity of Joe Biden and his energy policies
.
the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible.
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Spot on in my opinion. A perfect opportunity created by a madman. At a tragic cost to both Russia and Ukraine, Putin has re-written Russian history for years to come.boing wrote:It is not possible to realistically suggest that the "west" initiated the war in Ukraine for their own purposes but it seems that in light of the initial Russian incompetence that the "west" quickly realised that they had a great opportunity to bleed Russian forces both in manpower and equipment. Had the Russian invasion competently completed its initial plan the combat would have been over by now.
- Undried Plum
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 7308
- Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:45 pm
- Location: 56°N 4°W
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Kaliningrad is low-hanging fruit for the NATO aggressors to pluck. For months there has been continuous NATO air power overtly menacing that isolated part of Russia.
The latest chess move has been to strangle the place by siege warfare and to largely choke off the land corridor which has existed since 1945.
It's a very sinister move by NATO which is clearly intended to provoke a defensive reaction from Russia with a view to then presenting it as Russian aggression instead of what it really is, which is continued NATO aggression against Russia.
-
- Capt
- Posts: 830
- Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:31 pm
- Location: United Kingdom
- Gender:
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Thank you boing for expressing my point far more eloquently than I.
But then, I can at least claim brevity as only used one sentence!
But then, I can at least claim brevity as only used one sentence!
- Rwy in Sight
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 6775
- Joined: Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:04 pm
- Location: Lost in an FIR somewhere
- Gender:
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
And just because of their nature and balance of power were not used. So it is a rather effective weapon to own.Undried Plum wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:50 pmYes, but it was a damn close run thing in '62, don'tcha think?
The EU put too much of natural gas on its energy basket and was happy to overtax the carbon to please the Greens and the NGO in the ecology industry. They still feel oblige to tax the local carbon instead of using it and offer serious tax incentives to help citizens to consume less. For instance I need to do some maintenance on the solar power water heater. I did pay for its installation and I received no subsidy and paid VAT at the higher bracket. Same story with the necessary maintenance. No tax assistance
- boing
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2717
- Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:32 am
- Location: Beautful Oregon USA
- Gender:
- Age: 77
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Lars,
As Churchill famously said " Please excuse the length of my letter, I did not have time to write a shorter one."
.
As Churchill famously said " Please excuse the length of my letter, I did not have time to write a shorter one."
.
the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible.
- Undried Plum
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 7308
- Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:45 pm
- Location: 56°N 4°W
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Einstein famously said "The truth should always be expressed as simply possible, but never more so".
The Imperial war(s) against Russia go back a long way. They are ongoing. Sure, there was a half-decade interregnum in the 20thC when they were found to be useful idiots and were used as such, but the war(s) against Russia go on. And on.
There are currently three wars against Russia by The Empire. There's the economic warfare. That's the big one. There's also the propaganda war. Then there's also the proxy war, currently being fought by useful Ukrainian idiots. All the same war, really.
The Imperial war(s) against Russia go back a long way. They are ongoing. Sure, there was a half-decade interregnum in the 20thC when they were found to be useful idiots and were used as such, but the war(s) against Russia go on. And on.
There are currently three wars against Russia by The Empire. There's the economic warfare. That's the big one. There's also the propaganda war. Then there's also the proxy war, currently being fought by useful Ukrainian idiots. All the same war, really.
- boing
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2717
- Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:32 am
- Location: Beautful Oregon USA
- Gender:
- Age: 77
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
UP,
I think it must be true that a shadow campaign has been waged against Russia to limit its expansionist habits but the only two declared wars by truly western powers have been those of Napoleon and Hitler whereas Russia has a record of attacking neighbouring countries to fulfill its aims.
This list was copied from the website GHPAGE.
.
I think it must be true that a shadow campaign has been waged against Russia to limit its expansionist habits but the only two declared wars by truly western powers have been those of Napoleon and Hitler whereas Russia has a record of attacking neighbouring countries to fulfill its aims.
This list was copied from the website GHPAGE.
Is it surprising that the West takes possible opportunities to corral Russia?Today, we bring to you the tall list of all the countries Russia has invaded since 1941.
Iran (1941–1946)
Hungary (1944)
Romania (1944)
Bulgaria (1944)
Czechoslovakia (1944)
Northern Norway (1944–1946) and Bornholm, Denmark (1945–1946)
Germany (1945)
Austria (1945–1955)
Manchuria (1945–1946)
Korea (1945–1948)
Kuril Islands (1945)
Czechoslovakia (1968–1989)
Afghanistan (1979–1989)
Crimean Peninsula – (2014)
Ukraine – (2022)
.
the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible.
- Undried Plum
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 7308
- Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:45 pm
- Location: 56°N 4°W
Re: Millions of us might be **** if we ignore the Russian-Ukraine war
Countries bombed by the US since the establishment of the Kaliningrad corridor in 1945:
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011
Iraq and Syria 2014 –
When you say that Russia invaded Norway, are you even vaguely aware of what nonsense you spout? Norwegian troops, in concert with Russians, liberated Northern Norway from the fascist German occupation. It was a joint operation between the Norwegian army and the Soviet army, launched from Northern Russia. It was no more an "invasion" than was the return of British troops to the Channel Islands at around the same time in May 1945.
If you are going to make a fool of yourself in such a way, then you might as well claim that France and Poland invaded Norway in 1940.
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011
Iraq and Syria 2014 –
When you say that Russia invaded Norway, are you even vaguely aware of what nonsense you spout? Norwegian troops, in concert with Russians, liberated Northern Norway from the fascist German occupation. It was a joint operation between the Norwegian army and the Soviet army, launched from Northern Russia. It was no more an "invasion" than was the return of British troops to the Channel Islands at around the same time in May 1945.
If you are going to make a fool of yourself in such a way, then you might as well claim that France and Poland invaded Norway in 1940.